1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,751 Okay . The the subcommittee will come 2 00:00:02,751 --> 00:00:05,960 to order . I'd like to begin by 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,260 welcoming everyone to today's hearing . 4 00:00:08,270 --> 00:00:10,492 The Department of Defense , fiscal year 5 00:00:10,492 --> 00:00:13,160 2023 , strategy policy and programs for 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,420 science and technology . Following the 7 00:00:15,420 --> 00:00:17,309 open portion of the hearing , the 8 00:00:17,309 --> 00:00:19,531 subcommittee will reconvene in a closed 9 00:00:19,531 --> 00:00:21,753 classified members only session in room 10 00:00:21,753 --> 00:00:24,160 20-12 with representatives from DARPA 11 00:00:24,170 --> 00:00:26,960 and the military services research 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,760 entities . So um 13 00:00:31,540 --> 00:00:33,510 to take care of some housekeeping 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,420 things first , uh we've convened uh 15 00:00:36,430 --> 00:00:38,730 this as a hybrid hearing . Uh Members 16 00:00:38,730 --> 00:00:40,841 who are joining remotely uh including 17 00:00:40,841 --> 00:00:42,897 myself must be visible on screen for 18 00:00:42,897 --> 00:00:45,150 the purposes of identity verification , 19 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:47,610 establishing and maintaining a quorum 20 00:00:47,620 --> 00:00:50,210 participating in the proceeding and 21 00:00:50,210 --> 00:00:53,070 voting . Those members must continue to 22 00:00:53,070 --> 00:00:55,120 use the software platforms video 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,370 function while in attendance unless 24 00:00:57,370 --> 00:00:59,537 they experience connectivity issues or 25 00:00:59,537 --> 00:01:01,592 other technical problems that render 26 00:01:01,592 --> 00:01:03,759 them unable to participate on camera . 27 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,280 If a member experiences technical 28 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,530 difficulties , they should contact the 29 00:01:08,530 --> 00:01:12,040 committee staff for assistance . Video 30 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,873 of members participation will be 31 00:01:13,873 --> 00:01:16,650 broadcast in the room and via the 32 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:19,410 television , internet feeds members 33 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:21,430 participating remotely must seek 34 00:01:21,430 --> 00:01:23,660 recognition verbally and they are asked 35 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:26,000 to mute their microphone when they are 36 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,830 not speaking . Um Members who are 37 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:33,560 participating remotely uh are reminded 38 00:01:33,570 --> 00:01:36,010 to keep the software platforms video 39 00:01:36,010 --> 00:01:38,430 function on the entire time they attend 40 00:01:38,430 --> 00:01:40,597 the proceeding , Members may leave and 41 00:01:40,597 --> 00:01:42,763 rejoin the proceedings . Uh If members 42 00:01:42,763 --> 00:01:44,819 depart for a short while for reasons 43 00:01:44,819 --> 00:01:46,541 other than joining a different 44 00:01:46,541 --> 00:01:48,541 proceedings , they should leave the 45 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:50,770 video function on . Uh If members will 46 00:01:50,770 --> 00:01:53,050 be absent for a significant period or 47 00:01:53,050 --> 00:01:55,272 depart to join a different proceeding . 48 00:01:55,272 --> 00:01:57,106 Uh They should exit the software 49 00:01:57,106 --> 00:01:59,330 platform entirely and then rejoin if 50 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:01,800 they return , members may use the 51 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,856 software platforms , chat feature to 52 00:02:03,856 --> 00:02:05,689 communicate with staff regarding 53 00:02:05,689 --> 00:02:08,390 technical or logistical support issues 54 00:02:08,390 --> 00:02:12,280 only also . And finally I designated 55 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:14,670 a committee staff member to if 56 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:17,380 necessary , mute , unrecognized members 57 00:02:17,380 --> 00:02:20,010 microphones to cancel and the 58 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:22,270 inadvertent background noise that may 59 00:02:22,270 --> 00:02:25,920 disrupt the proceedings . So uh let me 60 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:29,570 begin with this by saying uh this is an 61 00:02:29,570 --> 00:02:31,626 important opportunity to examine the 62 00:02:31,626 --> 00:02:33,850 department's work to maintain the 63 00:02:33,850 --> 00:02:36,540 technical technological advantage that 64 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:40,250 our nation enjoys . Um And I want to 65 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:42,670 thank ranking member banks for 66 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:45,140 organizing this hearing with me and 67 00:02:45,140 --> 00:02:47,084 thank our witnesses for joining us 68 00:02:47,084 --> 00:02:49,307 before us today . We have the honorable 69 00:02:49,307 --> 00:02:51,362 Heidi shoe undersecretary of defense 70 00:02:51,362 --> 00:02:53,650 for research and engineering . MS . 71 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:55,840 Kristin baldwin , Deputy Assistant 72 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,118 Secretary of the Air Force for Science , 73 00:02:58,118 --> 00:03:01,590 Technology and Engineering . Uh Mr 74 00:03:01,590 --> 00:03:03,479 William nelson , Deputy assistant 75 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:05,534 Secretary of the Army for Research , 76 00:03:05,534 --> 00:03:08,300 technology and Chief scientist and mr 77 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:11,740 paul , man , acting deputy assistant 78 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:14,010 secretary of the Navy for research , 79 00:03:14,010 --> 00:03:16,810 Development , test and evaluation . So 80 00:03:16,810 --> 00:03:18,977 I thank and welcome our witnesses here 81 00:03:18,977 --> 00:03:21,670 today and I must say that this is a 82 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,160 bittersweet hearing for me as it is the 83 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,560 final science and technology posture 84 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,750 hearing that uh that I will chair 85 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,920 before retiring at the conclusion of 86 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:35,310 this congress . All right . It's um 87 00:03:36,340 --> 00:03:38,530 uh it's remarkable , I have to say to 88 00:03:38,530 --> 00:03:40,580 see how far we've come in the years 89 00:03:40,580 --> 00:03:42,469 since I joined the Armed services 90 00:03:42,469 --> 00:03:44,691 committee going back all the way as a , 91 00:03:44,691 --> 00:03:46,636 as a freshman . But I'm continuing 92 00:03:46,636 --> 00:03:49,350 reminded of how far we have yet to go 93 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,540 Uh , foremost are the infrastructure 94 00:03:52,540 --> 00:03:54,596 and facilities challenges throughout 95 00:03:54,596 --> 00:03:56,596 the enterprise . I have to say that 96 00:03:56,596 --> 00:03:58,651 it's shocking that we face a massive 97 00:03:58,651 --> 00:04:00,873 back on in laboratory investment , more 98 00:04:00,873 --> 00:04:03,490 than $5.7 billion dollars in the latest 99 00:04:03,490 --> 00:04:05,750 report to Congress . These challenges 100 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:07,950 affect not just the pace uh , and 101 00:04:07,950 --> 00:04:11,080 breath of innovation , but also our 102 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,080 ability to attract and retain the top 103 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,770 tier talent that we depend on . I'm 104 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:18,770 committed to doing everything in my 105 00:04:18,770 --> 00:04:21,840 power to address this issue and I look 106 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:23,800 forward to hearing how just at the 107 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,430 department on a sustainable path of 108 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:28,430 research facility investment . This 109 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:32,140 could not be more pressing . We 110 00:04:32,140 --> 00:04:34,084 also live in an incredibly dynamic 111 00:04:34,084 --> 00:04:35,918 world as we all recognize within 112 00:04:35,918 --> 00:04:38,029 accelerating pace of innovation . But 113 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:40,196 we face enormous challenges within the 114 00:04:40,196 --> 00:04:42,084 department in terms of technology 115 00:04:42,084 --> 00:04:44,307 development , transition and adoption , 116 00:04:44,307 --> 00:04:46,140 but these are not just about the 117 00:04:46,140 --> 00:04:49,280 adoption of commercial innovation and 118 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,170 more agile procurement , but the 119 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:53,281 department's willingness to invest at 120 00:04:53,281 --> 00:04:55,281 scale and potentially game changing 121 00:04:55,281 --> 00:04:57,950 game changing technologies . Uh , the 122 00:04:57,950 --> 00:05:01,110 case study for this in my mind is 123 00:05:01,110 --> 00:05:03,120 electromagnetic rail gun . It is 124 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,420 incredibly disappointing to me that 125 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:07,309 this program is being effectively 126 00:05:07,309 --> 00:05:10,850 shelved with the navy being unable or 127 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:13,240 unwilling to make the effort to 128 00:05:13,250 --> 00:05:14,917 integrate and transition this 129 00:05:14,917 --> 00:05:17,500 capability into the a war fighting 130 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:21,070 system . Similarly , I'm perplexed as 131 00:05:21,070 --> 00:05:23,320 to why there is a sudden lack of 132 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,390 support for the diet pump alkaloid 133 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:28,700 laser program , aqui directed energy 134 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:31,100 technology that is making great strides 135 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,170 by shutting these programs . I fear 136 00:05:34,180 --> 00:05:36,470 that we are seeding a crucial 137 00:05:36,470 --> 00:05:39,540 technology space to our competitors and 138 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:41,960 they are not sitting by idle . 139 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,370 However , I have to say that we also 140 00:05:45,380 --> 00:05:47,491 have seen incredible successes within 141 00:05:47,491 --> 00:05:49,547 the S . And T . World , particularly 142 00:05:49,547 --> 00:05:51,880 when it comes to the department's S . P . 143 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,990 I . R . S . T . TR program . So I 144 00:05:54,990 --> 00:05:57,690 wanted to highlight uh those as as wins . 145 00:05:57,690 --> 00:05:59,910 For example , one small company has 146 00:05:59,910 --> 00:06:02,360 produced uh robotic 147 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,750 exoskeletons and uh and prosthetic 148 00:06:05,750 --> 00:06:09,390 systems to both augment human strength 149 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,178 and help those with injuries or 150 00:06:11,178 --> 00:06:13,067 disabilities move independently . 151 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:16,310 Another produced a hypoxia training 152 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:19,560 system which supports pressure on 153 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:23,270 demand , um reduced oxygen 154 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:25,160 delivery to pilots , flying jet 155 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,990 trainers , solving a challenge that had 156 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:30,410 long played the department . Such 157 00:06:30,410 --> 00:06:32,632 innovation would not have been possible 158 00:06:32,632 --> 00:06:35,260 without robust S . And T investments . 159 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,640 Um , I will also of course uh include 160 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,070 the uh incredible work done by DARPA on 161 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,930 M . RNA technology uh , that led to the 162 00:06:44,930 --> 00:06:47,070 development of the current vaccines 163 00:06:47,070 --> 00:06:49,410 that we have today that I have no doubt 164 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:53,130 saved lives and um , and uh kept 165 00:06:53,130 --> 00:06:56,650 people healthy too numerous to count . 166 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,180 And uh , that was a game changing 167 00:07:00,180 --> 00:07:02,347 technology . And just underscored just 168 00:07:02,347 --> 00:07:05,320 the importance of early stage research 169 00:07:05,330 --> 00:07:08,650 and investment in conclusion , I want 170 00:07:08,650 --> 00:07:11,570 to talk about our greatest strength as 171 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:13,681 a country , the incredible talent and 172 00:07:13,681 --> 00:07:15,903 resources of our people . But we cannot 173 00:07:15,903 --> 00:07:19,220 expect our edge to persist indefinitely . 174 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:21,500 We must aggressively invest in our 175 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:24,830 future through through steam education 176 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,160 and workforce training . We must ensure 177 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,710 that that we are able to contribute and 178 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,609 that means that we're all able to 179 00:07:32,609 --> 00:07:35,030 contribute . And that means ensuring uh 180 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,520 diversity that things . For example , 181 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,298 historically black colleges and 182 00:07:39,298 --> 00:07:41,187 universities and minority serving 183 00:07:41,187 --> 00:07:43,298 institutions are full partners in the 184 00:07:43,298 --> 00:07:45,870 defense ecosystem . And it means 185 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,824 enabling small businesses to bring 186 00:07:47,824 --> 00:07:49,991 their unique capabilities uh , to this 187 00:07:49,991 --> 00:07:51,991 innovation base . And it means that 188 00:07:51,991 --> 00:07:54,730 researchers , engineers and innovators 189 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:56,880 who bring their talents to the unique 190 00:07:56,890 --> 00:07:59,300 challenges of national security should 191 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:01,200 find should find a Department of 192 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Defense , able and willing to embrace 193 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,190 their ideas rather than an opaque 194 00:08:06,190 --> 00:08:09,770 system that has too often impedes the 195 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:13,400 rapid adoption of innovation . So I 196 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,567 know that our witnesses today share my 197 00:08:15,567 --> 00:08:17,820 concern in my desire to do right by our 198 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:20,690 incredible women in uniform that uh 199 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:22,700 that that serve our and protect our 200 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:25,760 nation uh in such a major way . And I 201 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,927 thank you all for appearing and I look 202 00:08:27,927 --> 00:08:30,110 forward to today's discussion and 203 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,300 working with each of you in my final 204 00:08:32,300 --> 00:08:34,490 year on the committee . With that I 205 00:08:34,490 --> 00:08:37,000 will now turn to ranking member banks 206 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,000 for any comments that he may have . 207 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,240 Thank you mr chairman and first and 208 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,073 foremost , I'd like to welcome a 209 00:08:43,073 --> 00:08:45,240 special guest , the mayor of New Haven 210 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,170 indiana from my district who is joining 211 00:08:48,170 --> 00:08:50,114 us in the back row . I told him he 212 00:08:50,114 --> 00:08:52,337 didn't have to stay here for the entire 213 00:08:52,337 --> 00:08:52,060 hearing but I wanted him to come and 214 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:54,590 see his congressman at work . So 215 00:08:54,590 --> 00:08:57,170 welcome Mayor . Thanks for joining us 216 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:59,281 today . Thank you again . Mr Chairman 217 00:08:59,281 --> 00:09:01,448 for those remarks and thank you to our 218 00:09:01,448 --> 00:09:03,448 witnesses for your time today . The 219 00:09:03,448 --> 00:09:05,670 work that you and the men and women and 220 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:07,920 your enterprises do to transform our 221 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,920 capabilities and technology through 222 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,310 research and development will be the 223 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:15,060 defining factor in future conflicts . 224 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:17,762 Our adversaries are heavily invested in 225 00:09:17,762 --> 00:09:19,929 emerging technologies through expanded 226 00:09:19,929 --> 00:09:22,040 research and development , recruiting 227 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,180 top scientists and stealing our 228 00:09:25,180 --> 00:09:27,170 intellectual property . They are 229 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:29,392 transforming these technologies and the 230 00:09:29,392 --> 00:09:31,448 capabilities that we will see on the 231 00:09:31,448 --> 00:09:33,670 battlefield . Our armed forces are made 232 00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:35,892 up of incredible men and women , but we 233 00:09:35,892 --> 00:09:38,100 are putting them at a disadvantage if 234 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,900 we fail to equip equip them with the 235 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:44,400 best capabilities and technology . In 236 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,456 the past year , we have seen several 237 00:09:46,456 --> 00:09:49,320 high profile departures from people in 238 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,460 positions related to innovation . A 239 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:54,349 common frustration that they have 240 00:09:54,349 --> 00:09:56,571 expressed is that the department is not 241 00:09:56,571 --> 00:09:58,571 moving fast enough to modernize the 242 00:09:58,571 --> 00:10:00,738 department and transition technologies 243 00:10:00,738 --> 00:10:02,960 to the war fighter . We can't afford to 244 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,960 slowly embrace new technologies and 245 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,904 capabilities , much less failed to 246 00:10:06,904 --> 00:10:09,940 adopt them at all . We can't rely on 247 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:12,162 antiquated practices when equipping our 248 00:10:12,162 --> 00:10:14,273 war fighters with the tools that they 249 00:10:14,273 --> 00:10:16,440 need to win in the battlefields of the 250 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,273 future . Whether it's hypersonic 251 00:10:18,273 --> 00:10:20,162 artificial intelligence , quantum 252 00:10:20,162 --> 00:10:21,829 computing , directed energy , 253 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:24,580 biotechnology , five G or cyber . We 254 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:27,650 must lean into developing procuring and 255 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:29,980 deploying these technologies and 256 00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:32,091 investing in the leading edges of new 257 00:10:32,091 --> 00:10:34,320 ones in order to compete But more 258 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,870 importantly to maintain our superiority . 259 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,862 I hope to hear from you today about how 260 00:10:39,862 --> 00:10:41,862 the department is preparing for the 261 00:10:41,862 --> 00:10:44,029 future of defense and how Congress can 262 00:10:44,029 --> 00:10:46,196 help you do it . I look forward to our 263 00:10:46,196 --> 00:10:48,140 discussion and working together to 264 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:50,084 advance that mission . With that . 265 00:10:50,084 --> 00:10:52,880 Thank you . I yield back , I thank the 266 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,320 ranking member With that . We'll now go 267 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,850 to witness testimony . Uh witnesses are 268 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:02,780 are asked to summarize their uh their 269 00:11:02,790 --> 00:11:05,330 witness statements for five minutes and 270 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:07,552 they can spend the longer statement for 271 00:11:07,552 --> 00:11:09,552 the record . With that . I will now 272 00:11:09,552 --> 00:11:12,200 turn to the honorable Heidi shoe for 273 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:15,530 your testimony . Welcome madame 274 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:19,390 Secretary Chairman Langevin ranking 275 00:11:19,390 --> 00:11:21,520 member Banks and members of the 276 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,920 subcommittee . Thank you for inviting 277 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,230 me to represent research and 278 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,340 engineering arm of the Department of 279 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,870 Defense at this hearing on accelerating 280 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,340 the pace of innovation . I am honored 281 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:37,319 and proud to be undersecretary of 282 00:11:37,319 --> 00:11:39,374 Defense for Research and Engineering 283 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,751 and the department's Chief technology 284 00:11:41,751 --> 00:11:44,650 officer and I'm very happy to be here 285 00:11:44,650 --> 00:11:47,010 today with my esteemed service 286 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:50,600 colleagues at this testimony . Okay as 287 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,767 undersecretary of Defense for research 288 00:11:52,767 --> 00:11:55,210 and Engineering . My responsibility is 289 00:11:55,210 --> 00:11:58,020 to ensure an enduring technological 290 00:11:58,020 --> 00:11:59,853 advantage with the United States 291 00:11:59,853 --> 00:12:02,490 military . We will accomplish this goal 292 00:12:02,490 --> 00:12:04,101 by building implementing the 293 00:12:04,101 --> 00:12:06,660 department's technology strategy as 294 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:08,800 directed by Congress and you know , 295 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,690 Lineman with the National Defense 296 00:12:10,690 --> 00:12:13,930 Strategy . The forthcoming national 297 00:12:13,930 --> 00:12:16,430 Defense Science and technology strategy 298 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,760 will provide guidance to the department 299 00:12:18,770 --> 00:12:21,530 on near term challenges and ensure that 300 00:12:21,530 --> 00:12:24,180 our nation remains the global leader in 301 00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:27,050 technology and far into the future . 302 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,200 The challenges are vast , from rising 303 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,330 nations to rising sea levels . In my 304 00:12:34,330 --> 00:12:36,670 written testimony , I describe the 305 00:12:36,670 --> 00:12:40,220 specific critical technology areas and 306 00:12:40,220 --> 00:12:42,610 how the department is working faster 307 00:12:42,610 --> 00:12:44,780 and more collaboratively across 308 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:47,660 prototyping and experimentation . 309 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,060 Today , I want to briefly highlight two 310 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:53,190 areas where the department must work 311 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:56,430 closely with Congress to ensure an 312 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,400 enduring advantage . First build a 313 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,590 strong foundation for science and 314 00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:05,920 secondly , updating how the department 315 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,120 is businesses better to reflect today's 316 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,220 world . Every strong structure needs to 317 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:16,190 stand on a solid foundation to ensure 318 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:19,500 this country retains our edge and fuels 319 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:21,510 the future technologies and 320 00:13:21,510 --> 00:13:24,040 capabilities . We must make a 321 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,207 commitment to science and technology , 322 00:13:26,207 --> 00:13:29,840 particularly in basic research . We 323 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,770 must attract the best people . We must 324 00:13:32,780 --> 00:13:35,380 supply the necessary infrastructure for 325 00:13:35,390 --> 00:13:39,020 R and D . We must rapidly prototype and 326 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:41,960 perform joint experimentation and 327 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,470 collaborate across the technology 328 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,760 ecosystem . If we expect the 329 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,460 department to attract the world's best 330 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:53,630 and brightest to produce state of the 331 00:13:53,630 --> 00:13:56,960 art technologies , we must modernize 332 00:13:56,970 --> 00:14:00,500 our laboratory and test ranges . The 333 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:02,500 future of the department depends on 334 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,450 talented people and we're committed to 335 00:14:05,450 --> 00:14:08,640 developing this talent . The department 336 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,110 has invested in a variety of workforce , 337 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,160 educational and research programs 338 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,300 ranging from K to 12 robotic systems to 339 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:18,960 stem scholarships and social science 340 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,320 research as strategic competition 341 00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:25,130 increases , so must our attention to S 342 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:28,730 and T . I know many of you on the 343 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:32,510 committee feels the same way and I look 344 00:14:32,510 --> 00:14:34,232 forward to working with you to 345 00:14:34,232 --> 00:14:36,620 strengthen our S and T . Supporting 346 00:14:36,630 --> 00:14:39,550 infrastructure and the workforce . In 347 00:14:39,550 --> 00:14:42,000 my remaining time , I want to discuss 348 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,710 how the department must innovate in 349 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:47,740 pace with the technological change and 350 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,050 in keeping with the demands of the 351 00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:52,060 national defense strategy . 352 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:55,107 Historically , the department has been 353 00:14:55,107 --> 00:14:57,830 a leader in R and D . We still are , 354 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,062 but the growth of the private sector of 355 00:15:00,062 --> 00:15:03,360 R&D has exploded in the last 50 years . 356 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,630 As seen in Ukraine novel commercial 357 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:10,510 technology paired with conventional 358 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:13,400 weapons can change the nature of 359 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,610 conflict . The department's processes 360 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:18,400 ranging from programming to 361 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,380 experimentation to collaboration should 362 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:24,110 be updated to reflect the dynamic 363 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,550 landscape of today and anticipate the 364 00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:30,100 needs of tomorrow . Our nation's 365 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:32,680 private sector is our competitive 366 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,780 advantage and we must focus on 367 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:36,613 improving how the government and 368 00:15:36,613 --> 00:15:38,880 private sector work together . I am 369 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,102 committed to working with you to ensure 370 00:15:41,102 --> 00:15:43,213 the department can move as quickly as 371 00:15:43,213 --> 00:15:45,930 possible as it engages with the private 372 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:49,330 sector and the whole innovation 373 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:51,500 ecosystem to rapidly transition 374 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:55,160 technology to future capabilities . 375 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,020 Thank you for having me here today and 376 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,050 I look forward to your questions . 377 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,800 Thank you . Secretary Xu . The chair 378 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,578 now recognizes Deputy Assistant 379 00:16:06,578 --> 00:16:09,800 Secretary Kristen baldwin . Chairman 380 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,240 Langevin , ranking member Banks and 381 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,851 distinguished members of the 382 00:16:13,851 --> 00:16:15,684 subcommittee . Thank you for the 383 00:16:15,684 --> 00:16:17,907 opportunity to provide testimony on the 384 00:16:17,907 --> 00:16:20,090 fiscal year 2023 presidents budget 385 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,620 request the Department of the Air Force 386 00:16:22,630 --> 00:16:24,760 Science and technology portfolio 387 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,380 addresses near mid and far term 388 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:29,540 capabilities with a focused 389 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:32,090 transformational component that matures 390 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:33,870 game changing technologies for 391 00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:37,270 transition . It is clear that supremacy 392 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,840 in the air and space domains can no 393 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,010 longer be presumed without deliberate 394 00:16:42,020 --> 00:16:44,620 technology investments , modernization 395 00:16:44,620 --> 00:16:47,310 of our military systems , strengthening 396 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:50,100 innovation and partnerships and growing 397 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:52,350 the talent skills and diversity 398 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,570 necessary to deliver operational 399 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:57,710 capabilities . Our S . And T . Budget 400 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,664 is invested in critical technology 401 00:16:59,664 --> 00:17:01,887 areas including artificial intelligence 402 00:17:01,887 --> 00:17:04,470 and autonomy . Quantum hypersonic 403 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,050 microelectronic directed energy , 404 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,270 biotechnology and many others . 405 00:17:09,740 --> 00:17:11,573 Research and technology is cross 406 00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:13,820 cutting in its application and 407 00:17:13,820 --> 00:17:16,250 breakthroughs routinely provide 408 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:19,520 multidisciplinary benefits . Thus the 409 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,130 Air Force research lab remains one 410 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:24,640 laboratory supporting both the Air 411 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,980 Force and the Space Force . We continue 412 00:17:27,980 --> 00:17:29,910 to push the boundaries of modern 413 00:17:29,910 --> 00:17:32,230 technology to transform our warfighting 414 00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:35,870 capabilities . Are war tech process has 415 00:17:35,870 --> 00:17:38,390 demonstrated great success engaging 416 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:41,560 warfighters and technologists to I . D . 417 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,350 Eight and mature transformational S and 418 00:17:44,350 --> 00:17:47,070 T . We have initiated over two dozen 419 00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:50,420 war tech projects and four vanguard 420 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:53,400 programs designed from the start as 421 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,210 collaborative teams from S . And T . 422 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:58,730 Acquisition operations and test 423 00:17:58,740 --> 00:18:01,240 communities . Vanguard's couple 424 00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:03,730 investments across multiple budget 425 00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:06,920 activities to bridge the transition gap 426 00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:10,270 from S . And T . And to acquisition . 427 00:18:10,940 --> 00:18:13,410 Three of the four vanguard programs 428 00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:15,587 will achieve their transition . By the 429 00:18:15,587 --> 00:18:18,340 end of 2023 we can train you . We 430 00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:20,451 continue to transform the way we work 431 00:18:20,451 --> 00:18:22,700 with commercial small business . In 432 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:26,030 2021 we launched space works focused on 433 00:18:26,030 --> 00:18:28,030 pursuing novel technologies for the 434 00:18:28,030 --> 00:18:31,260 space force . Space works is an organic 435 00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:33,930 part of networks , leveraging , shared 436 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:37,640 processes and resources . Last year we 437 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,980 awarded over 1800 small business , 438 00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:43,050 innovative research and small business 439 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:45,670 technology transfer contracts . More 440 00:18:45,670 --> 00:18:49,350 than 75% of these small businesses are 441 00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:51,572 new performers to the Department of the 442 00:18:51,572 --> 00:18:54,610 Air Force . Since 2000 and 18 , Our 443 00:18:54,610 --> 00:18:57,260 cyber sitter performers have received 444 00:18:57,260 --> 00:18:59,410 over $6 billion dollars in follow on 445 00:18:59,410 --> 00:19:03,240 government contracts and 17.5 billion 446 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,360 follow on in private investment , 447 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:09,210 maintaining our world class talent 448 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:12,140 requires agile processes to be able to 449 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:15,600 recruit , hire and retain personnel . 450 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:18,630 We make great use of the authorities 451 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,751 that the congress has provided to the 452 00:19:20,751 --> 00:19:22,751 science and technology community in 453 00:19:22,751 --> 00:19:24,807 particular , direct hiring authority 454 00:19:24,807 --> 00:19:27,370 and enhanced pay authority , allow 455 00:19:27,370 --> 00:19:30,230 accelerated hiring and the ability to 456 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:33,070 attract top notch talent in cutting 457 00:19:33,070 --> 00:19:36,340 edge areas , diversity of this 458 00:19:36,340 --> 00:19:39,510 workforce brings strategic advantage as 459 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:41,950 well . The Air Force , historically 460 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:44,030 black colleges and universities and 461 00:19:44,030 --> 00:19:46,860 minority serving institutions outreach 462 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:50,060 initiative is a $97 million 463 00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:53,850 effort providing HBCU S and M . S . I . 464 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:56,140 S . The opportunity for research and 465 00:19:56,140 --> 00:19:58,251 development funding through strategic 466 00:19:58,251 --> 00:20:01,480 partnerships with small businesses . In 467 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,800 2021 partnerships were formed with 19 468 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:08,260 of these institutions looking forward 469 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,060 to to our future technical talent . 470 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,300 Last year , our K through 12 stem 471 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:17,240 program impacted one million students , 472 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:20,930 16,000 teachers and involved over 4000 473 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:24,180 volunteers , highlight of our stem 474 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:26,301 portfolio that I'd like to share with 475 00:20:26,301 --> 00:20:28,960 you is the legacy program 476 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:33,030 that reconnects young students as they 477 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,890 grow from craftsmen To junior 478 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:39,250 apprentices to interns . And in 479 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:43,130 2021 388 students participated in 480 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:45,660 our legacy program with a return rate 481 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,350 of 84% . I thank you for your 482 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:51,420 strong support of the Air Force and 483 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:53,680 Space Force science and technology . 484 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:56,156 The authorities that you've provided 485 00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:58,350 and this opportunity to testify . 486 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:03,107 Thank you . Deputy Assistant Secretary 487 00:21:03,107 --> 00:21:04,773 of baldwin . Uh The chair now 488 00:21:04,773 --> 00:21:07,050 recognizes Deputy Assistant Secretary , 489 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:08,106 William , nelson , 490 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,496 Chairman , Langevin , ranking member 491 00:21:13,496 --> 00:21:15,662 banks and distinguished members of the 492 00:21:15,662 --> 00:21:17,496 subcommittee . Thank you for the 493 00:21:17,496 --> 00:21:19,718 opportunity to discuss army Science and 494 00:21:19,718 --> 00:21:21,551 technology , strategy policy and 495 00:21:21,551 --> 00:21:23,773 programs today . These are all designed 496 00:21:23,773 --> 00:21:25,607 to realize us army modernization 497 00:21:25,607 --> 00:21:29,210 priorities founded on a robust snd 498 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:31,480 ecosystem to provide our soldiers a 499 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,640 technological advantage . Army 500 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,362 modernization is a team effort 501 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,807 spearheaded by the Assistant Secretary 502 00:21:38,807 --> 00:21:41,029 of the Army for acquisition , logistics 503 00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:43,251 and technology and Army futures Command 504 00:21:43,251 --> 00:21:45,196 includes a network of synchronized 505 00:21:45,196 --> 00:21:47,251 laboratories and engineering centers 506 00:21:47,251 --> 00:21:49,251 located across this great country . 507 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,440 Together with our partners from the 508 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,440 other services in the office of the 509 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,496 Secretary of Defense , Army labs and 510 00:21:55,496 --> 00:21:57,607 centers are working with academia and 511 00:21:57,607 --> 00:22:00,050 industry to develop new technology That 512 00:22:00,050 --> 00:22:01,980 is driving near and midterm 513 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:04,780 modernization to equip the army of 2030 514 00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:07,497 In performing the fundamental research 515 00:22:07,497 --> 00:22:10,060 to enable the army of 2040 and beyond . 516 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,640 The army is building a balanced snt 517 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,550 portfolio for near and midterm 518 00:22:15,550 --> 00:22:18,020 technology insertion and for technology 519 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:21,430 breakthroughs for basic research R . S . 520 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:23,152 And T . Strategy plays careful 521 00:22:23,152 --> 00:22:25,850 attention to supporting the signature 522 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:28,160 modernization priority efforts while 523 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,190 maintaining while simultaneously 524 00:22:30,210 --> 00:22:32,210 maintaining and supporting research 525 00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:34,432 aimed at fundamental long term change . 526 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,030 We are continuing to transform the army 527 00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:40,252 S . And T . Business model to emphasize 528 00:22:40,252 --> 00:22:42,370 early collaboration and frequent 529 00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:44,980 communication between requirements , S . 530 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:47,800 And T . Acquisition testing and 531 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,530 sustainment communities also with our 532 00:22:50,530 --> 00:22:53,010 academic and industry partners and most 533 00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:56,660 importantly our soldiers . As a recent 534 00:22:57,030 --> 00:22:58,919 A . F . C . Cross functional team 535 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:00,919 director , I can tell you firsthand 536 00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:02,850 that these communities are 537 00:23:02,850 --> 00:23:04,961 collaborating in unprecedented ways . 538 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,610 Army scientists and engineers are 539 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:09,721 changing the way warfighting concepts 540 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:11,777 and requirements are developed which 541 00:23:11,777 --> 00:23:13,554 then shape longer term research 542 00:23:13,554 --> 00:23:15,420 projects and goals . Our program 543 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:17,309 executive offices are maturing an 544 00:23:17,309 --> 00:23:19,253 exceptional number of technologies 545 00:23:19,253 --> 00:23:21,476 emerging from S . And T . And the cross 546 00:23:21,476 --> 00:23:23,698 functional teams are quickly delivering 547 00:23:23,698 --> 00:23:25,920 our signature modernization programs to 548 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,087 meet the demands of joint multi domain 549 00:23:28,087 --> 00:23:29,864 operations . Our basic research 550 00:23:29,864 --> 00:23:31,976 programs enable the foundational work 551 00:23:31,976 --> 00:23:33,920 that will define the technological 552 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,610 capabilities of the army of 2040 and 553 00:23:36,610 --> 00:23:39,400 beyond . At the center the Army 554 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,480 research lab has built a network of 555 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,000 regional hubs and labs that give us 556 00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:45,843 access to the widest spectrum of 557 00:23:45,843 --> 00:23:47,399 scientists and colleges and 558 00:23:47,399 --> 00:23:49,770 universities across the country . These 559 00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:51,659 talented researchers and academic 560 00:23:51,659 --> 00:23:53,940 partners perform cutting edge research 561 00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:56,061 in a variety of critical areas to the 562 00:23:56,061 --> 00:23:57,920 army including quantum science , 563 00:23:57,930 --> 00:24:00,130 synthetic biology and artificial 564 00:24:00,130 --> 00:24:02,420 intelligence . Our university 565 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:04,642 partnerships provide army access to our 566 00:24:04,642 --> 00:24:06,710 country's world class science 567 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:08,877 technology engineering and mathematics 568 00:24:08,877 --> 00:24:11,110 talent and the Army's educational 569 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,390 outreach program helps develop stem 570 00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:15,620 talent stem talent across the spectrum 571 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:17,787 from kindergarten through college with 572 00:24:17,787 --> 00:24:19,287 a strong focus on reaching 573 00:24:19,287 --> 00:24:21,398 traditionally underserved communities 574 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040 Of course , as with all educational 575 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,820 programs , COVID-19 caused some 576 00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:28,070 disruptions . However , I am pleased to 577 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:30,237 say we were able to successfully pivot 578 00:24:30,237 --> 00:24:33,130 to virtual programs in 2021 and served 579 00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:35,330 approximately 28,000 teachers and 580 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:38,680 students across the country . Army labs 581 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,902 are powered by an smT workforce that is 582 00:24:40,902 --> 00:24:43,370 diverse , technically competent and 583 00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:46,090 highly educated . The congressional 584 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:48,490 provided special personnel hiring 585 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:51,720 authorities have been critical for army 586 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,553 laboratories to remain agile and 587 00:24:53,553 --> 00:24:55,664 competitive with the private sector . 588 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,151 Last year , direct hiring authorities 589 00:24:58,151 --> 00:25:00,262 allowed army laboratories to hire 650 590 00:25:00,262 --> 00:25:02,429 government scientists and engineers in 591 00:25:02,429 --> 00:25:04,762 critical fields such as bio engineering , 592 00:25:04,762 --> 00:25:07,380 neuroscience , computer science and 593 00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:10,380 materials engineering to attract and 594 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:12,602 retain these scientists and engineers . 595 00:25:12,602 --> 00:25:14,640 Our Army labs must have world class 596 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:17,830 research facilities and equipment due 597 00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:19,997 to several factors . Many research and 598 00:25:19,997 --> 00:25:22,108 test facilities would greatly benefit 599 00:25:22,108 --> 00:25:23,441 from revitalization and 600 00:25:23,441 --> 00:25:25,497 recapitalization . We're making slow 601 00:25:25,497 --> 00:25:27,497 but steady progress by relying on a 602 00:25:27,497 --> 00:25:29,608 spectrum of congressional authorities 603 00:25:29,608 --> 00:25:31,386 to resource and modernize these 604 00:25:31,386 --> 00:25:33,552 facilities . Your support to raise the 605 00:25:33,552 --> 00:25:35,108 laboratory infrastructure , 606 00:25:35,108 --> 00:25:37,330 construction cost caps would be greatly 607 00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:39,720 appreciated . In conclusion . I want to 608 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,776 thank the members for their time and 609 00:25:41,776 --> 00:25:43,800 support gaining and exploiting new 610 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,967 scientific knowledge is crucial to the 611 00:25:45,967 --> 00:25:48,189 advancement of warfighting capabilities 612 00:25:48,189 --> 00:25:50,300 and we must safeguard these endeavors 613 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,467 As a national critical resource . Army 614 00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:54,522 SNT is at the forefront of acquiring 615 00:25:54,522 --> 00:25:56,522 the knowledge essential to its land 616 00:25:56,522 --> 00:25:58,244 warfare mission and developing 617 00:25:58,244 --> 00:26:00,467 technology enabled and soldier informed 618 00:26:00,467 --> 00:26:02,570 capabilities that will transition to 619 00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:04,737 meet the warfighter dominance needs of 620 00:26:04,737 --> 00:26:06,126 the future . Thank you . 621 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,807 Thank you . Deputy Assistant Secretary 622 00:26:10,807 --> 00:26:13,240 NElson Chair now recognizes acting 623 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,970 deputy assistant secretary paul man for 624 00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:16,980 five minutes . 625 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,050 Chairman Langevin , ranking member 626 00:26:23,050 --> 00:26:25,217 Banks and distinguished members of the 627 00:26:25,217 --> 00:26:27,050 subcommittee . Thank you for the 628 00:26:27,050 --> 00:26:29,161 opportunity to address the Department 629 00:26:29,161 --> 00:26:31,280 of the Navy's Investment Strategy for 630 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,960 the Science and technology portfolio . 631 00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:37,370 The United States is a maritime nation 632 00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:39,404 with our allies and partners . The 633 00:26:39,404 --> 00:26:41,182 Department of the Navy provides 634 00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:43,350 security and stability , maintains the 635 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:46,090 peace and ensures free and open access 636 00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:48,510 to the world's waterways . We continue 637 00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:50,620 to face a rapidly changing global 638 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:52,840 security environment , as evidenced by 639 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,930 Russia's invasion of Ukraine and 640 00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:57,152 china's continuing efforts to challenge 641 00:26:57,152 --> 00:26:59,097 the United States influence in the 642 00:26:59,097 --> 00:27:01,440 pacific to generate our competitive 643 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,150 advantage . We leverage the full force 644 00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:06,039 of our naval research and develop 645 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:07,950 development establishment which 646 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:10,117 includes our naval warfare centers and 647 00:27:10,117 --> 00:27:12,150 laboratories , the Office of Naval 648 00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:14,320 Research and our partnerships with 649 00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:17,320 allies , industry and academia . Our 650 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,170 diverse team is focused on outcomes 651 00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:22,980 driven by learning agility 652 00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:25,950 scalability and systems that leverage 653 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,150 innovative technology and systems 654 00:27:28,150 --> 00:27:30,830 engineering to deliver maritime 655 00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:33,890 dominance in the joint fight in 656 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:35,779 alignment with the sec knaves and 657 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:38,230 during priorities and the C . N . O . S . 658 00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:40,810 And V . C . Knows navigation plan and 659 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:43,590 get real , get better campaign of 660 00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:46,090 learning . We continue to push 661 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,490 technological boundaries . Our 662 00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:50,380 investments in prototyping 663 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:53,110 experimentation , partnerships with 664 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,670 operational forces and collaboration 665 00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:58,500 with allies enable the agility . We 666 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,200 need to keep our adversaries 667 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,730 disadvantaged with your support . Our 668 00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:05,820 workforce of dedicated scientists , 669 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:07,420 innovators and engineering 670 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:10,440 professionals will continue to develop 671 00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:12,172 and deliver the most effective 672 00:28:12,172 --> 00:28:14,850 capabilities that solve immediate and 673 00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:18,000 future key operational challenges . We 674 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000 endeavor to support our operational 675 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,720 forces with enduring asymmetric and 676 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,540 technological advantages across all 677 00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:27,570 operational environments . Are 678 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,720 strategic investments in research and 679 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,930 development , enable the competitive 680 00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:35,510 edge we require today tomorrow and for 681 00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:38,920 decades to come finally to all of you , 682 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,920 we welcome you to visit our warfare 683 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,900 centers and laboratories across around 684 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,789 the country and see firsthand the 685 00:28:45,789 --> 00:28:47,980 technologies that we're developing the 686 00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:50,030 systems under development and the 687 00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:52,220 talent professionals and the team's 688 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:54,053 working together who make it all 689 00:28:54,053 --> 00:28:56,810 possible ? We believe our workforce is 690 00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:59,320 our competitive advantage . I'm honored 691 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,042 for this opportunity to answer 692 00:29:01,042 --> 00:29:03,400 questions and share insights on matters 693 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,750 important to the subcommittee and our 694 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:07,060 nation . Thank you . 695 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,150 Very good . Thank you . Mr Man will now 696 00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:17,430 turn to member questions and I begin 697 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:21,390 with myself so to our witnesses 698 00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:24,720 here today , uh investment in uh in 699 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,560 department s and t efforts uh continues 700 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,050 to be dependent on on large 701 00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:32,260 congressional increases to maintain an 702 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:34,710 appropriate level uh to support future 703 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:37,290 warfighters . Why is this and what 704 00:29:37,290 --> 00:29:39,740 capability gaps could you fill with a 705 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:41,962 larger S and S and T budget ? Secretary 706 00:29:41,962 --> 00:29:43,796 xu . Why don't we start with you 707 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,060 microphone ? Can you hear me ? 708 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,450 Yes now we can . The first thing I 709 00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,370 would do is to help out to get more 710 00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:03,130 milk on money to help out in our lab 711 00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:05,970 and test infrastructure site . This is 712 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:08,990 where there's a huge deficiency That 713 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:11,470 you have seen . There's $5.7 billion 714 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:14,120 dollars of you for that went over and I 715 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,700 think that peace is absolutely critical 716 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,840 for us to put some additional funding 717 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:22,440 against . So that will be my number one 718 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,320 priority us along With some of the 719 00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:28,441 lab and testing infrastructure . I'll 720 00:30:28,441 --> 00:30:30,552 give you example , there's about $500 721 00:30:30,552 --> 00:30:33,210 million dollars needed by the Navy 722 00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:35,160 electromagnetic and cyber 723 00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:37,960 Countermeasures laboratory to modernize 724 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,950 the lab in order to develop and 725 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,840 evaluate emerging threats and to be 726 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,062 able to support the increased number of 727 00:30:45,062 --> 00:30:47,229 classified projects . This is just one 728 00:30:47,229 --> 00:30:49,507 example of chunk of money that we need . 729 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,040 Chairman's . I would just add a few 730 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,151 comments . Um if you're familiar with 731 00:30:58,151 --> 00:31:00,373 the Department of the Air Force S and T 732 00:31:00,373 --> 00:31:02,540 strategy , can you pull the microphone 733 00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:04,540 closer to just pull it ? Absolutely 734 00:31:04,540 --> 00:31:06,910 Excuse me . R . R . S . And T . 735 00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:09,077 Strategy for the Department of the Air 736 00:31:09,077 --> 00:31:11,960 Force um highlights a focus of 737 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:14,410 directing 20% of our investment towards 738 00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:16,632 transformational technologies . I spoke 739 00:31:16,632 --> 00:31:18,632 to this in my opening remarks and I 740 00:31:18,632 --> 00:31:20,799 would just say that um that's a that's 741 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,854 an area of the investment that where 742 00:31:22,854 --> 00:31:24,743 we're really trying to bridge the 743 00:31:24,743 --> 00:31:26,880 capability gap to um , to our most 744 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200 critical priorities . You may be also 745 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,367 familiar with the Secretary of the Air 746 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:33,311 Force's operational imperatives in 747 00:31:33,311 --> 00:31:35,800 order to keep pace with uh , the the 748 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,710 china threat . Um , we are , we are 749 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,070 actively identifying what capabilities 750 00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:44,880 are needed and um , using this 751 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,991 transformational S and T component to 752 00:31:46,991 --> 00:31:49,650 align with those um , with those 753 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:51,990 capability gaps . So that would be one . 754 00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:54,212 But I would be remiss if I also did not 755 00:31:54,212 --> 00:31:56,434 mention basic Research , the Department 756 00:31:56,434 --> 00:31:58,323 of the Air Force invested um , an 757 00:31:58,323 --> 00:32:00,212 increase uh in the basic research 758 00:32:00,212 --> 00:32:04,140 account for the for fiscal year 23 Uh , 759 00:32:04,150 --> 00:32:07,940 increasing it up to up to 2550 million 760 00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:10,340 uh for 23 . And this is just an 761 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:12,507 important , um , enduring investment . 762 00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:15,520 Um , and those are my tumors . 763 00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:20,480 Thank you . Mr nelson . I would I would 764 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,702 just add , I would probably stay on the 765 00:32:22,702 --> 00:32:24,924 infrastructure note that honorable shoe 766 00:32:24,924 --> 00:32:27,036 mentioned . That is certainly an area 767 00:32:27,036 --> 00:32:29,147 that we all share in common and could 768 00:32:29,147 --> 00:32:31,313 always use additional support . But as 769 00:32:31,313 --> 00:32:33,480 I mentioned in my opening comments , I 770 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:33,340 would ask that the subcommittee 771 00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:35,451 consider Some of the limitations that 772 00:32:35,451 --> 00:32:37,618 have been implied due to . I believe a 773 00:32:37,618 --> 00:32:39,729 section 1 29 . But in some cases that 774 00:32:39,729 --> 00:32:41,951 ability to , if we can raise that limit 775 00:32:41,951 --> 00:32:44,173 will allow the service is a little more 776 00:32:44,173 --> 00:32:46,396 ability to get after some of these more 777 00:32:46,396 --> 00:32:48,562 challenging projects that we have that 778 00:32:48,562 --> 00:32:50,729 we're just unable to get after , given 779 00:32:50,729 --> 00:32:50,650 the current limitations that we have . 780 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,811 And so again , we'd like to work with 781 00:32:52,811 --> 00:32:54,478 you in terms of what a modest 782 00:32:54,478 --> 00:32:56,644 improvement or increased to that would 783 00:32:56,644 --> 00:32:58,756 be acceptable to the to the committee 784 00:32:58,756 --> 00:33:00,922 in the congress . That's that would be 785 00:33:00,922 --> 00:33:00,680 that would be where I would focus my 786 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,680 attention sir . 787 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,900 Um , Okay . Mr man , do you have 788 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,520 anything to add ? So I'll just 789 00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:15,190 echo one point is that um , while we're 790 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,670 balancing all of the investment in the 791 00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:21,570 S . N . T . Portfolio , attracting the 792 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:24,010 world's best and brightest , getting 793 00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:26,121 them here and unleashing their talent 794 00:33:26,121 --> 00:33:29,610 for decades . We want them to enjoy 795 00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:33,160 working in modern facilities and so uh 796 00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:35,860 competing with the infrastructure 797 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:39,250 requirements across the entire uh 798 00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:43,060 landscape is always challenging . And 799 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:46,320 uh building the 800 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,540 laboratories that these professionals 801 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:51,010 can execute their mission will go a 802 00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:53,050 long way to sustaining our enduring 803 00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:56,890 advantage . Thank you . Okay thank you . 804 00:33:56,890 --> 00:34:00,360 I I appreciate the witnesses uh answers 805 00:34:00,370 --> 00:34:02,510 but I'll be honest with you . None of 806 00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:04,621 really . No one can really answer the 807 00:34:04,621 --> 00:34:06,870 question as to why Congress needs to 808 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:09,760 continue to add funding each year . 809 00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:13,640 Uh Secretary Xu would you , 810 00:34:13,650 --> 00:34:16,070 would you try , can you go back and try 811 00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:18,450 to address that that question because 812 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:20,450 uh you know , you have significant 813 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,450 budgets but every year , you know , 814 00:34:22,450 --> 00:34:25,360 we're having a add on . 815 00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:32,220 I think our , can you hear me ? Okay . 816 00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:35,060 Yes . So 817 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:37,620 realistically there's always greater 818 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:40,360 demand than there is the supply side . 819 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,400 So I will say every single year we 820 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,622 tally up the type of investment that we 821 00:34:45,622 --> 00:34:49,040 have made from (616) 263 822 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:52,310 and and 64 as well . 823 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:54,750 There's always additional funding 824 00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:58,660 across the multitude of topic areas 825 00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:00,560 that we encompass . You've got to 826 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,540 realize that all the areas that we 827 00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:05,160 encompass covers from emerging 828 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,900 technology , from biotechnology , uh 829 00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:12,300 advanced materials areas in quantum 830 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,910 science all the way to more mature 831 00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:18,500 technology which we're trying to feel 832 00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:22,430 in the area of hypersonic . So our 833 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:25,450 requests are vast parts of reasons 834 00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:28,160 because we cover a wide span of 835 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,170 different technology areas . 836 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,162 But we're gonna have to keep working on 837 00:35:35,162 --> 00:35:37,230 this together because there are 838 00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:39,910 significant gaps that exist and and uh 839 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,142 we need to we need to work harder on on 840 00:35:42,142 --> 00:35:45,000 closing those gaps . Um My last 841 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,260 question for now anyway with china we 842 00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:50,340 are competing with the country with 843 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:54,010 significant strategy uh and certainly 844 00:35:54,020 --> 00:35:57,350 resources between its military and uh 845 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,193 and private sector . What is the 846 00:35:59,193 --> 00:36:01,027 department doing to leverage and 847 00:36:01,027 --> 00:36:03,460 incorporate private sector innovation 848 00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:07,060 and talent at scale ? And is it 849 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:09,860 being aggressive enough ? And and what 850 00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:12,980 is the role of the organizations like D . 851 00:36:12,980 --> 00:36:15,730 I . U . And and others ? I I was just 852 00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:17,952 out there with miss bice . I was out of 853 00:36:17,952 --> 00:36:20,550 D iu in California last week doing a on 854 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:23,520 site visit . Very eye opening , very 855 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,680 pleased that we could take time to be 856 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,060 there meet with the director and his 857 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,560 team . Um But you know 858 00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:34,560 what you know what 859 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,020 is the role of organizations like D . I . 860 00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:38,910 O . And others and why did these 861 00:36:38,910 --> 00:36:41,160 efforts particularly I . You continue 862 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,230 to seem to struggle to get by to get 863 00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:46,930 buy in and support from senior leaders . 864 00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:49,420 Given the return on investment that 865 00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:50,420 they provide . 866 00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:55,980 D . I . U . Has done an exceptional job 867 00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:58,710 in the last six years in terms of 868 00:36:58,710 --> 00:37:01,710 developing uh do use 869 00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:04,540 technology that can satisfy the needs 870 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:07,580 of our military . I think if you look 871 00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:10,690 at their track record is about 40% of 872 00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:12,690 the projects that they have started 873 00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:14,870 have successively transitioned to the 874 00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:17,037 hands of the war fighter . That is the 875 00:37:17,037 --> 00:37:19,240 tally that they have tracked so far . 876 00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:22,280 The other organizations that we have 877 00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:25,430 across each every one of the services 878 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,662 that are innovative organization that's 879 00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:29,810 also looking to the commercial sector 880 00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:33,270 for innovation for ideas that we can 881 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:35,890 transition in terms of solving our 882 00:37:35,890 --> 00:37:39,150 services problems . Example 883 00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:42,100 Army rapid capability , critical 884 00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,170 technology office . They have very 885 00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:47,290 successfully had three different 886 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,330 industry engagements engaged very 887 00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:53,830 closely with a small companies and they 888 00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:57,360 pull in program executive officers from 889 00:37:57,370 --> 00:37:59,870 the army to identify what are the 890 00:37:59,870 --> 00:38:03,530 critical technology gaps that they have . 891 00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:06,920 It's that marriage of understanding the 892 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,970 critical capability gaps in developing 893 00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:12,160 solution space that they're trying to 894 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,160 bridge . They have funded a number of 895 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,271 small companies with their innovative 896 00:38:17,271 --> 00:38:19,500 ideas and they are developing 897 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,710 prototypes and handing the prototypes 898 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,490 over to program management office to 899 00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:28,880 enable the rapid transition . So all of 900 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,710 that is happening as we're as 901 00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:34,821 we're looking across each , every one 902 00:38:34,821 --> 00:38:38,360 of the services . Do you think that D . 903 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,330 I you does uh does not struggle to 904 00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:45,070 get by and uh and support from from 905 00:38:45,070 --> 00:38:47,140 senior leaders . Again , given the 906 00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:50,450 return on investment ? Well , I think D 907 00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:52,672 IU has very strong support . I spent an 908 00:38:52,672 --> 00:38:55,140 entire day at D . I . You last month . 909 00:38:55,150 --> 00:38:57,206 So I've been waiting until the Covid 910 00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:59,990 dies down so I could actually fly out . 911 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,278 Uh So I spent an entire day over there . 912 00:39:02,278 --> 00:39:05,280 They have my respect and my attention . 913 00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:07,680 So at the senior leadership level 914 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,210 absolutely Concurred that I support 915 00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:12,790 them 100% . I also have an opportunity 916 00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:15,870 to meet with the captains and the 917 00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:18,730 majors that's down there incredibly 918 00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:22,030 dedicated a lot of the reserve officers . 919 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,690 So I'm very pleased with what D . I . U . 920 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:27,550 Has accomplished in And I think the 921 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,470 they're a little frustrated with the FY 922 00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:32,470 22 budget cut , but that was in the 923 00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:36,210 last administration . So , um I am here 924 00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:39,720 now and I'm able to support 925 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,710 them in terms of going forward . I 926 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:44,821 certainly think that dru deserves our 927 00:39:44,821 --> 00:39:47,140 support , certainly has mine and we 928 00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:49,560 want to continue to leverage the the 929 00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:52,650 the the model that they bring to the 930 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:54,650 table and engaging with these small 931 00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:56,817 innovation , innovative companies . Um 932 00:39:56,817 --> 00:39:59,090 With that I'll now turn to I think 933 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,480 ranking member banks had to step out . 934 00:40:01,490 --> 00:40:04,740 Uh If that's the case I will yield to 935 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:07,860 his vice for five minutes . Thank you 936 00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:10,110 so much . Mr Chairman for having this 937 00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:12,332 hearing today and for the witnesses for 938 00:40:12,332 --> 00:40:15,670 being here . Ah As was mentioned , I 939 00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:18,560 was on cordell with Chairman Langevin 940 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,338 last week and it was incredibly 941 00:40:20,338 --> 00:40:22,060 enlightening to see all of the 942 00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:24,227 incredible technology that's happening 943 00:40:24,227 --> 00:40:26,338 um , you know , in the space , I want 944 00:40:26,338 --> 00:40:28,800 to start with DR XU , the demands of 945 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,810 the present era , call for new 946 00:40:30,810 --> 00:40:33,470 operational concepts , increasingly 947 00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:36,460 joint operations and quickly fielding 948 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:38,238 emerging science and technology 949 00:40:38,238 --> 00:40:40,910 opportunities . How does the department 950 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,500 jointly move early research and new 951 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,450 scientific breakthroughs into war 952 00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:48,260 fighting capabilities ? As someone 953 00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:50,560 who's a freshman who has been in the 954 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,616 technology space . One of the things 955 00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:55,170 that's been most surprising to me is um , 956 00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:58,020 the slow pace of innovation within D . 957 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:01,240 O . D . And I feel like that . Um you 958 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,129 know , whether it's a procurement 959 00:41:03,129 --> 00:41:05,018 process or requirements process , 960 00:41:05,018 --> 00:41:07,073 there's such , it's such a long lead 961 00:41:07,073 --> 00:41:09,018 time and technology is emerging so 962 00:41:09,018 --> 00:41:11,073 quickly . So I want to know what the 963 00:41:11,073 --> 00:41:13,240 services are doing jointly together to 964 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,407 try to push forward with these new and 965 00:41:15,407 --> 00:41:17,590 emerging technologies . That's a great 966 00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:19,740 question . I'd love to spend some 967 00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:23,140 quality time with you . One of the 968 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:25,700 things that we have initiated that you 969 00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,300 may have heard about is the rapid 970 00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:30,750 defense experimentation reserve , 971 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,930 what's called raider rader was 972 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:37,880 initiated last year to address a joint 973 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:41,640 or fighting capability gaps . So we 974 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,850 took the joint warfighting capability 975 00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:46,890 gaps and went to the services and asked 976 00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:49,112 them do you have prototypes that you're 977 00:41:49,112 --> 00:41:52,090 developing that could close these joint 978 00:41:52,090 --> 00:41:55,900 warfighting capability gaps . And I was 979 00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:58,830 shocked Within five weeks , we received 980 00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:02,850 Over 200 proposals spanning for 981 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:05,200 unclassified to secret the top secret 982 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,440 to special access . We literally looked 983 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,150 at all of those proposals and rack and 984 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:13,760 stack them against the capability gaps 985 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:18,100 And later down against a scenario , a 986 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,690 better scenario of interest . I won't 987 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:24,023 say which one because that one's secret . 988 00:42:24,023 --> 00:42:26,134 But I'll be more than happy coming to 989 00:42:26,134 --> 00:42:28,760 talk more in terms of details . But we 990 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,020 identify 32 projects which has the 991 00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:34,790 most uh will give us the best Bang for 992 00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:36,790 the bucks , let's put it that way . 993 00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:40,620 Okay . And we are funding these 32 994 00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:44,130 project in the fy 23 proposal budget 995 00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:46,320 proposal . How are you funding those 996 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,260 specifically through radar radar ? 997 00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:52,120 Different . Okay , Absolutely . So what 998 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,953 we're doing here , we're funding 999 00:42:53,953 --> 00:42:57,220 through a raider peace and um every 1000 00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:59,860 single service proposed projects . The 1001 00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,970 best projects was given the money was 1002 00:43:02,970 --> 00:43:04,914 allocated back to the services for 1003 00:43:04,914 --> 00:43:08,290 example , army has over $100 million 1004 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:10,300 worth of project that's going to be 1005 00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:13,300 funded Berate er specifically to 1006 00:43:13,310 --> 00:43:15,670 address some of the capability gaps . 1007 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,450 Okay . Navy Air Force , they all have 1008 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:21,050 budget budget that's being allocated as 1009 00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:23,740 a part of the greater experimentation 1010 00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:26,250 reserve . So what's going to happen ? 1011 00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:28,930 This is a campaign of joint 1012 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:30,930 experimentation that's going to 1013 00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:34,250 continue every six months . So we are 1014 00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:38,090 able to take rapid prototype capability 1015 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,290 externally and be able to add it in to 1016 00:43:41,290 --> 00:43:43,920 show utility in terms of closing our 1017 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,810 gaps and look for rapid transition into 1018 00:43:46,810 --> 00:43:49,600 the services his hands . That's perfect 1019 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,680 thank you for that . Um To follow up 1020 00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:54,801 what improvements would you recommend 1021 00:43:54,801 --> 00:43:57,060 to the defense acquisition process to 1022 00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:59,550 speed up delivery of technology ? And I 1023 00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:01,550 think this is an area that I've had 1024 00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:04,070 lots of conversations on but we need to 1025 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,024 move forward quickly . What do you 1026 00:44:06,024 --> 00:44:08,302 suggest for improvements in that realm ? 1027 00:44:08,302 --> 00:44:10,413 And I'm happy to throw that to any of 1028 00:44:10,413 --> 00:44:13,460 the other witnesses . So there are 1029 00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:16,130 several shortfalls that I see right now 1030 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:19,800 shocking . But one of the shortfall 1031 00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:22,150 is when I engage with small companies 1032 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:25,810 to come up with really innovative ideas . 1033 00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:29,950 One there's a lack of funding for them 1034 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,180 to move into production rapidly . So 1035 00:44:33,180 --> 00:44:35,420 they have developed several prototypes 1036 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:37,652 and the government , the D . O . D . Is 1037 00:44:37,652 --> 00:44:39,763 very interested in their prototypes . 1038 00:44:39,763 --> 00:44:41,763 They want to be able to ramp up and 1039 00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:44,240 they don't have the capital right to 1040 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,184 help them ramp up . So this is one 1041 00:44:46,184 --> 00:44:49,980 thing we're helping by the Fy 22 . 1042 00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:52,870 The outfit funding has given me $100 1043 00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:55,090 million to help address some to bridge 1044 00:44:55,090 --> 00:44:57,920 this production capability gap . Okay , 1045 00:44:57,930 --> 00:45:00,680 so very appreciative of the Congress 1046 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,300 has given me the 100 million dollars . 1047 00:45:03,490 --> 00:45:05,434 So this way I can help some of the 1048 00:45:05,434 --> 00:45:08,280 small companies to help them to ramp up 1049 00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:10,580 into production . Is that similar to 1050 00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:12,691 what d IU is doing with the companies 1051 00:45:12,691 --> 00:45:14,913 that they're working with trying to get 1052 00:45:14,913 --> 00:45:17,510 them ramped up D . I . U . Is trying to 1053 00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:20,840 get the services interested to be able 1054 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,960 to say here's the technology that we 1055 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,340 have developed . You have an interest 1056 00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:27,239 in this technology , I'm going to 1057 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,460 transition over to you . You have to 1058 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:32,160 cough up the transition money to accept 1059 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,900 it . Okay . Some companies can get 1060 00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:37,900 venture capital money to help out . 1061 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,020 Some companies are not able to do that 1062 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:43,950 because there they may be building a 1063 00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:46,490 component that goes into a system . 1064 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:49,390 Right ? So they're looking for capital . 1065 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,990 Okay so that's an example an area that 1066 00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:54,220 we could we're in the process of trying 1067 00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:56,276 to figure out how to help them to do 1068 00:45:56,276 --> 00:45:58,320 the rapid transition . Perfect . My 1069 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,550 time has expired . So Mr Chairman I'll 1070 00:46:00,550 --> 00:46:02,439 yield back thank you again to the 1071 00:46:02,439 --> 00:46:03,790 witnesses . Mhm . 1072 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,190 I think you're immune , yep , thank you 1073 00:46:12,190 --> 00:46:14,246 for the kind of questions advice and 1074 00:46:14,246 --> 00:46:16,301 the answer is there uh Mr moulton is 1075 00:46:16,301 --> 00:46:18,523 now recognized for five minutes . Thank 1076 00:46:18,523 --> 00:46:20,801 you . Mr Chairman Undersecretary issue . 1077 00:46:20,801 --> 00:46:22,760 Uh The department has repeatedly 1078 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,593 emphasized harnessing commercial 1079 00:46:24,593 --> 00:46:26,780 technology better . Uh This has 1080 00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:28,891 obviously been a theme of the hearing 1081 00:46:28,891 --> 00:46:31,113 so far but I'm not sure the money tells 1082 00:46:31,113 --> 00:46:33,370 that story . Uh The defense Innovation 1083 00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:35,610 unit D . IU has proven success in 1084 00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:37,721 accelerating development and fielding 1085 00:46:37,721 --> 00:46:40,210 of advanced technologies American needs 1086 00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:42,530 and working around a 60 year old 1087 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:44,770 acquisition process that frankly is 1088 00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:47,000 holding us back and allowing our 1089 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,420 adversaries to get ahead . We've often 1090 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:53,950 joked that the best thing for D . O . D . 1091 00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:56,540 Would be if china copied or stole our 1092 00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:58,920 acquisition process because that would 1093 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,880 really hobble them . It's been congress 1094 00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:04,630 not the department that has repeatedly 1095 00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:07,470 pushed investment in D . I . U . And in 1096 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,702 innovation . Now you just said that you 1097 00:47:09,702 --> 00:47:11,591 support D . I . You 100% but your 1098 00:47:11,591 --> 00:47:13,647 budget is basically flat lining it . 1099 00:47:13,647 --> 00:47:16,370 From Fy 21 . You factor in inflation 1100 00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:20,200 that's about 90% . How do you 1101 00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:23,490 think we're going to improve on D . I . 1102 00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:26,490 Use success If in real dollars were 1103 00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:28,940 actually facing a budget that's 10% 1104 00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:31,283 less than what we gave it two years ago . 1105 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,620 Also the Fy 21 budget 1106 00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:39,120 if you're looking at Fy 22 is actually 1107 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,400 worse than flat . They've got a 30% cut . 1108 00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:44,506 I know but I'm comparing this year's 1109 00:47:44,506 --> 00:47:46,710 budget to fy 21 2 years ago . So two 1110 00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:49,910 years ago you're also sold for Fy 22 to 1111 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:52,900 23 . We increased them by $10 million . 1112 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:56,550 Okay . From 22 to 23 . Right but it's a 1113 00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:58,990 flat line from 21 which means that it's 1114 00:47:58,990 --> 00:48:01,500 a 10% cut . If you factor in inflation . 1115 00:48:01,870 --> 00:48:03,926 I mean that's just that's just basic 1116 00:48:03,926 --> 00:48:05,870 math . Right . That's I completely 1117 00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:08,037 concur you gotta realize by the time I 1118 00:48:08,037 --> 00:48:10,780 came in I came in in July 29 into the 1119 00:48:10,780 --> 00:48:13,270 administration with the budget was 1120 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,336 pretty much baked two weeks before I 1121 00:48:15,336 --> 00:48:18,020 came in . Okay so my opportunity to 1122 00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:21,120 influence is this year in Fy 24 . So 1123 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,320 you'll see a much stronger request for 1124 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,960 funding for fy 24 Undersecretary , are 1125 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,410 you familiar with the future of Defense 1126 00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:31,521 Task Force report that this committee 1127 00:48:31,521 --> 00:48:33,940 produced a couple of years ago ? Uh No 1128 00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:35,940 sir , I'm not . Okay , well in that 1129 00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:38,162 report which is the first time that the 1130 00:48:38,162 --> 00:48:40,107 House Armed Services Committee has 1131 00:48:40,107 --> 00:48:42,260 really looked 20 or 30 years ahead at 1132 00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:43,982 where we need to be . And it's 1133 00:48:43,982 --> 00:48:46,204 remarkably bipartisan report , entirely 1134 00:48:46,204 --> 00:48:48,427 bipartisan and entirely bipartisan Task 1135 00:48:48,427 --> 00:48:50,870 force for democrats for republicans um 1136 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,190 with a fully supported bipartisan 1137 00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:57,030 report , we called for increasing the 1138 00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:59,890 budget for D . I . U . By a factor of 1139 00:48:59,890 --> 00:49:03,800 10 , recognizing that D . I . U . Is 1140 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,180 one of the only organizations within D . 1141 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:08,402 O . D . O . D . That's really finding a 1142 00:49:08,402 --> 00:49:10,291 way to get around the traditional 1143 00:49:10,291 --> 00:49:12,420 acquisition project process and 1144 00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:14,587 bringing these commercial technologies 1145 00:49:14,587 --> 00:49:17,900 quickly uh to the war fighter . Do you 1146 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:19,567 think that that's an accurate 1147 00:49:19,567 --> 00:49:21,622 assessment of how much we need to be 1148 00:49:21,622 --> 00:49:21,520 spending on innovation ? 1149 00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:28,860 Yeah . It's not only organization 1150 00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:30,971 that's bringing commercial technology 1151 00:49:30,971 --> 00:49:33,193 and I think it's very important for you 1152 00:49:33,193 --> 00:49:35,193 to hear from each of the services . 1153 00:49:35,193 --> 00:49:37,249 What they are also doing in terms of 1154 00:49:37,249 --> 00:49:39,471 bringing commercial technologies in . I 1155 00:49:39,471 --> 00:49:41,360 gave you an example of Army Rapid 1156 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,416 Capability and Technology Office who 1157 00:49:43,416 --> 00:49:45,830 have about $46 million dollars this 1158 00:49:45,830 --> 00:49:48,860 year . Also going out completely to the 1159 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,440 commercial industry , small companies 1160 00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:53,660 to look for ideas to solve problems 1161 00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:56,230 that they have . So that's just one 1162 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,184 other example of service . I'll be 1163 00:49:58,184 --> 00:50:00,330 happy to share With the rest of the 1164 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,600 service members here can tell you about 1165 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,322 what they're doing in terms of 1166 00:50:04,322 --> 00:50:06,378 leveraging commercial technologies , 1167 00:50:06,378 --> 00:50:08,544 but we don't have time to get into all 1168 00:50:08,544 --> 00:50:10,489 of it right now . But I would just 1169 00:50:10,489 --> 00:50:12,544 point out that we clearly need to be 1170 00:50:12,544 --> 00:50:14,767 spending a lot more on innovation , not 1171 00:50:14,767 --> 00:50:16,989 incrementally more . Not 10% more , but 1172 00:50:16,989 --> 00:50:19,100 on the order of magnitude of 10 times 1173 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,770 more . The Fy 23 budget continues to 1174 00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:24,190 spend a majority of dollars on status 1175 00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:26,110 quo , weapons platforms despite a 1176 00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:28,640 record , R . D . T and E budget for 20 1177 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,230 fy 23 . So , do you think we're 1178 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,490 actually spending enough on cyber 1179 00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:35,940 biosecurity , autonomous systems , 1180 00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:38,480 space capability , and other emerging 1181 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,480 technologies or do we not have that 1182 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,350 balance correct yet ? We are spending a 1183 00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:47,050 fair bit of money on the cyber arena . 1184 00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:49,290 Uh , some of those fundings are in the 1185 00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:51,290 classified world , which is hard to 1186 00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:55,060 talk about in this uh , mechanism , 1187 00:50:55,070 --> 00:50:57,490 but we'll be happy to follow up to talk 1188 00:50:57,490 --> 00:50:59,490 about some of the other things that 1189 00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:01,590 we're funding to address imminent 1190 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:03,701 threats . Well , I think that for any 1191 00:51:03,701 --> 00:51:05,534 of us who have spent time in the 1192 00:51:05,534 --> 00:51:07,757 classified world and looked at what our 1193 00:51:07,757 --> 00:51:09,868 adversaries are doing , we need uh an 1194 00:51:09,868 --> 00:51:12,380 order of magnitude increase in defense 1195 00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:14,602 spending on innovation . I think that's 1196 00:51:14,602 --> 00:51:16,602 a theme , you're hearing a lot from 1197 00:51:16,602 --> 00:51:18,713 this committee and I hope to see that 1198 00:51:18,713 --> 00:51:20,991 better reflected in next year's budget . 1199 00:51:20,991 --> 00:51:22,991 Thank you very much . Mr Chairman . 1200 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,782 Thank you . Mr moulton . I understand . 1201 00:51:25,782 --> 00:51:28,020 Mr Banks has returned as well , turned 1202 00:51:28,020 --> 00:51:30,460 to the ranking member for his questions . 1203 00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:32,680 Thank you . Mr Chairman Secretary xu I 1204 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,030 want to ask about the recent 1205 00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:38,360 resignation of Mike Brown , the Chief 1206 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,000 of the Defense Innovation Unit . And 1207 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:43,232 can you tell us about what the what the 1208 00:51:43,232 --> 00:51:45,454 transition will look like , How will he 1209 00:51:45,454 --> 00:51:47,732 be replaced ? When will he be replaced ? 1210 00:51:47,732 --> 00:51:49,954 And also maybe you could comment on why 1211 00:51:49,954 --> 00:51:53,940 he's leaving ? Okay his 1212 00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:57,690 turn , excuse me hear me ? His 1213 00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:01,590 four year term comes up . Uh he 1214 00:52:01,590 --> 00:52:05,470 is basically uh highly qualified expert . 1215 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,010 HQ E . He's his term is coming up in 1216 00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:10,930 september so he and I chatted about 1217 00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:13,630 this . I just said , well the most I 1218 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:16,420 could do is extend you buy one year . 1219 00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:18,790 My preference is to have somebody else 1220 00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:21,012 in there that can spend the duration of 1221 00:52:21,012 --> 00:52:23,910 my term in bridging to the next 1222 00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:27,040 administration ball doesn't get dropped 1223 00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:30,110 between administrations . Right . What 1224 00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:32,950 I did is to extend his deputy by one 1225 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:35,340 year because his term was coming up the 1226 00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:38,760 summer this way I will have his deputy 1227 00:52:38,770 --> 00:52:40,992 with the skill set that's been here for 1228 00:52:40,992 --> 00:52:43,260 the last several years to expand while 1229 00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:46,610 while I search for a replacement for 1230 00:52:46,610 --> 00:52:48,600 him . When can we expect that 1231 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,656 replacement ? Can you give us a more 1232 00:52:50,656 --> 00:52:53,020 specific timeline of when I can't give 1233 00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:55,270 you a specific timeline because I need 1234 00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:57,830 to do a search what's the most , what 1235 00:52:57,830 --> 00:53:00,300 we , what will we be searching for . I 1236 00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,130 will search for candidates that has 1237 00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:05,300 experienced in the commercial sector 1238 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,970 and preferably , uh , some experience 1239 00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:10,700 in the venture world or at least 1240 00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:13,270 knowledge in the venture world , um , 1241 00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:16,310 exposure to the venture world and 1242 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,098 preferably also sometime in the 1243 00:53:18,098 --> 00:53:20,264 government . So you have experience on 1244 00:53:20,264 --> 00:53:22,542 both sides and then you can figure out , 1245 00:53:22,542 --> 00:53:24,542 okay , what are the things that can 1246 00:53:24,542 --> 00:53:26,876 bring from one side into the other side ? 1247 00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:29,217 I think it goes with that being said . 1248 00:53:29,217 --> 00:53:32,440 Um , I imagine in a very bipartisan way 1249 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,970 this this committee treasures the work 1250 00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:38,360 of of Mike Brown , the director of D IU , 1251 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,750 He's brought the defense innovation 1252 00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:45,050 unit to a whole new level that that 1253 00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:48,550 continues to excel at , at the mission 1254 00:53:48,550 --> 00:53:50,890 of the core mission of the of the 1255 00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:52,779 organization . And I hope that we 1256 00:53:52,779 --> 00:53:54,834 replace Mike Brown with someone with 1257 00:53:54,834 --> 00:53:56,557 the same type of knowledge and 1258 00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:59,860 experience and continue to move what D 1259 00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:01,860 IU does in the right direction with 1260 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:04,080 that . As you search for candidates to 1261 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,170 replace him , What can you tell us 1262 00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:08,570 about ? What in in your mind ? Uh , 1263 00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:10,802 what is the next chapter ? What are the 1264 00:54:10,802 --> 00:54:12,913 next big steps of D I you to continue 1265 00:54:12,913 --> 00:54:16,420 to uh , support innovation and support 1266 00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:18,630 our war fighters ? I think the biggest 1267 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:20,730 challenge that they have faced is 1268 00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:23,510 really trying to get the services to on 1269 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:26,000 the , on the other side , on the 1270 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,550 acquisition side to help the 1271 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,671 innovation that they have found to go 1272 00:54:31,671 --> 00:54:33,838 into production , because that's where 1273 00:54:33,838 --> 00:54:37,130 the gap is ? Uh a lot of small 1274 00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:40,700 companies , great ideas have produced a 1275 00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:43,910 lot of prototypes . It's this funnel 1276 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,560 that's going down to production and 1277 00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:48,514 it's the pull from the acquisition 1278 00:54:48,514 --> 00:54:51,220 community that we need . So I think 1279 00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:53,442 that's what I want to focus on and this 1280 00:54:53,442 --> 00:54:55,442 is where I think having somebody on 1281 00:54:55,442 --> 00:54:57,664 both sides of the , I was experience on 1282 00:54:57,664 --> 00:54:59,887 both sides would help understanding the 1283 00:54:59,887 --> 00:55:01,900 acquisition process and also have 1284 00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,067 exposure to the commercial world , can 1285 00:55:04,067 --> 00:55:06,880 help to do the faster pull rather than 1286 00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:09,210 just being extremely frustrated by the 1287 00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:11,720 bureau bureaucracy internally . Right , 1288 00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:13,897 can you talk about what investments in 1289 00:55:13,897 --> 00:55:16,119 the President's budget specifically for 1290 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,950 D . I . You will lead uh to better 1291 00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:21,006 opportunities to solve some of those 1292 00:55:21,006 --> 00:55:23,172 issues in the year ahead ? I hope so . 1293 00:55:24,140 --> 00:55:27,010 Anything specifically . So I'm saying 1294 00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:29,790 Fy 24 is what I'm looking at , have an 1295 00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:32,480 opportunity to impact the budget . Okay , 1296 00:55:32,490 --> 00:55:34,712 well , Mike Brown , unfortunately isn't 1297 00:55:34,712 --> 00:55:36,768 the only leader that we've seen lead 1298 00:55:36,768 --> 00:55:39,180 leave the department who has um an 1299 00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:41,236 important role related to technology 1300 00:55:41,236 --> 00:55:42,902 and emerging technologies and 1301 00:55:42,902 --> 00:55:45,069 innovation . There have been several , 1302 00:55:45,069 --> 00:55:47,350 I mean , in a very high profile way , I 1303 00:55:47,350 --> 00:55:49,670 mean it's almost for many of us who 1304 00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:52,620 have been focused on this area , it's 1305 00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,980 concerning when you see headlines after 1306 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:58,670 headlines of um chief technology 1307 00:55:58,670 --> 00:56:00,781 experts leaving the department , like 1308 00:56:00,781 --> 00:56:03,490 um the Air Force's chief software 1309 00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:05,890 official who recently left and said the 1310 00:56:05,890 --> 00:56:07,834 reason he left is because china is 1311 00:56:07,834 --> 00:56:09,890 kicking our butt . Um why why do you 1312 00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:12,890 think there's there's so much um of 1313 00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:15,112 that ? Why ? Why do you think that that 1314 00:56:15,112 --> 00:56:17,223 that concern exists among some of the 1315 00:56:17,223 --> 00:56:19,279 leaders in the department that we've 1316 00:56:19,279 --> 00:56:21,390 empowered to lead on this front . And 1317 00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:23,446 what are we doing about it ? I think 1318 00:56:23,446 --> 00:56:25,612 this probably is the frustration was a 1319 00:56:25,612 --> 00:56:27,834 bureaucracies are processing internally 1320 00:56:27,834 --> 00:56:30,090 from first , I don't know the guy but I 1321 00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:32,312 heard that he was frustrated because of 1322 00:56:32,312 --> 00:56:34,540 lack of his lack of ability to get 1323 00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:36,762 money to do things he wanted to do . So 1324 00:56:36,762 --> 00:56:39,750 I don't know the details maybe . Ah 1325 00:56:40,530 --> 00:56:44,240 well if that's all right , I can uh Mr 1326 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:46,660 Chalon was our Chief software Officer . 1327 00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:49,760 Again , he was a HQ we on on a term 1328 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,593 appointment as well . But you're 1329 00:56:51,593 --> 00:56:53,816 correct and that he was frustrated . Um 1330 00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:55,816 I would say that many of us are are 1331 00:56:55,816 --> 00:56:58,038 frustrated as you are with the with the 1332 00:56:58,038 --> 00:57:01,970 um are are struggle to keep up 1333 00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:05,090 with the pace of of uh technology 1334 00:57:05,090 --> 00:57:06,979 transition and modernization that 1335 00:57:06,979 --> 00:57:08,923 perhaps some of our our peers have 1336 00:57:08,923 --> 00:57:11,390 achieved . I would offer that it is as 1337 00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:13,770 Miss Xu said there , it is not only 1338 00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:15,992 just to focus on attracting those small 1339 00:57:15,992 --> 00:57:18,159 businesses and investing in innovation 1340 00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:20,326 but rather the the the funding that is 1341 00:57:20,326 --> 00:57:22,730 required to transition from a small 1342 00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:26,240 business s and t uh contract 1343 00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:28,620 into a program of record . We've just 1344 00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,000 completed a study in the Air Force for 1345 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,480 the Secretary on technology transition 1346 00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:35,810 were briefing it out um next month to 1347 00:57:35,810 --> 00:57:39,040 the secretary and we have a set of of 1348 00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:41,410 major recommendation findings . Number 1349 00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:44,700 one is tech transition funding to cross 1350 00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,410 the valley of death . This is typically 1351 00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:51,040 budget activity $64 that are that are 1352 00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:53,161 in the purpose of this fund as well . 1353 00:57:53,161 --> 00:57:55,272 Some of us have mentioned prototyping 1354 00:57:55,272 --> 00:57:58,590 and experimentation uh and concept 1355 00:57:58,590 --> 00:58:01,040 refinement and development planning . 1356 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,740 So these are these are focus areas that 1357 00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:06,920 um that we we believe are critical to 1358 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,730 close that gap um to to actually bridge 1359 00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:12,907 activities like D . I . U . As well as 1360 00:58:12,907 --> 00:58:15,073 after works and space works to be able 1361 00:58:15,073 --> 00:58:17,960 to deliver and then transfer the the 1362 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,060 technologies into programs . And then I 1363 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:23,171 would just say as well that it's also 1364 00:58:23,171 --> 00:58:25,171 been commented that the acquisition 1365 00:58:25,171 --> 00:58:27,410 process is the broken process . The 1366 00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:29,243 second major finding of our tech 1367 00:58:29,243 --> 00:58:31,970 transition study is that it requires 1368 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:33,970 synchronization not only from 1369 00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:36,440 acquisition but requirements as well as 1370 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,390 our PPB er planning , programming and 1371 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,330 budgeting um activity which you know , 1372 00:58:43,330 --> 00:58:45,940 which which are also very bureaucratic 1373 00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:48,450 and so are what we're doing in the Air 1374 00:58:48,450 --> 00:58:52,130 Force's prioritizing uh capability 1375 00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:54,340 needs and then bringing together to 1376 00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:57,550 synchronize those three processes . Uh 1377 00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,780 And and making sure that the that the 1378 00:58:59,780 --> 00:59:02,002 amount of technology transition funding 1379 00:59:02,002 --> 00:59:05,250 which which must is so important for 1380 00:59:05,260 --> 00:59:07,750 two for in our in our fy 23 budget to 1381 00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:10,540 be maintained consistent uh and 1382 00:59:10,540 --> 00:59:13,320 continued we can focus those uh to 1383 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,598 achieve that tech transition indicated . 1384 00:59:15,598 --> 00:59:17,820 Let me just finish your frustrated were 1385 00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:19,987 frustrated but we can't afford to lose 1386 00:59:19,987 --> 00:59:22,260 talent from the apartment . The men and 1387 00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:23,982 women who come and work in the 1388 00:59:23,982 --> 00:59:26,149 department are focused on these issues 1389 00:59:26,149 --> 00:59:28,316 who understand these issues , who come 1390 00:59:28,316 --> 00:59:30,482 to serve to make a difference and help 1391 00:59:30,482 --> 00:59:32,830 us to innovate the department . These 1392 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,330 these headlines are are , are deeply 1393 00:59:36,330 --> 00:59:38,552 troubling to me . So I hope that you're 1394 00:59:38,552 --> 00:59:40,552 listening to those frustrations . I 1395 00:59:40,552 --> 00:59:40,160 hope we're learning from them . I hope 1396 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,327 that you're addressing them and I hope 1397 00:59:42,327 --> 00:59:44,438 you'll come back to the committee and 1398 00:59:44,438 --> 00:59:44,400 tell us how we can help you address 1399 00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:46,650 those restorations to with that Mr 1400 00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:50,360 Chairman , I yield back . Thank you Mr 1401 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,582 Banks very good line of questioning . I 1402 00:59:52,582 --> 00:59:54,760 associate my note itself many of your 1403 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,038 remarks and the questions you've asked . 1404 00:59:57,420 --> 00:59:59,770 But with that uh , Miss Escobar is now 1405 00:59:59,770 --> 01:00:02,103 recognized for five minutes . Thank you . 1406 01:00:02,103 --> 01:00:04,103 Chairman Langevin really appreciate 1407 01:00:04,103 --> 01:00:06,214 this opportunity for our subcommittee 1408 01:00:06,214 --> 01:00:08,326 to better understand the department's 1409 01:00:08,326 --> 01:00:10,620 innovation efforts . I have the 1410 01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:12,676 incredible privilege of representing 1411 01:00:12,676 --> 01:00:16,580 Fort Bliss uh , here in Congress And 1412 01:00:16,590 --> 01:00:19,330 as such , I have the opportunity of 1413 01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:21,396 representing the joint modernization 1414 01:00:21,396 --> 01:00:23,600 command As well as the University of 1415 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,230 Texas at El Paso which if you are 1416 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,560 unfamiliar with it is a top ranking 1417 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,060 research institution and a minority 1418 01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:36,340 serving institution . It mostly serves 1419 01:00:36,340 --> 01:00:39,640 the community which is 85% Latino since 1420 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,190 my time as a local elected official in 1421 01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:43,968 el paso . I served as the chief 1422 01:00:43,968 --> 01:00:46,210 executive . Their county judge . I've 1423 01:00:46,210 --> 01:00:48,154 been working to help our community 1424 01:00:48,154 --> 01:00:50,640 leverage the talent at Utep in their 1425 01:00:50,650 --> 01:00:53,330 engineering department and their stem 1426 01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:57,190 uh um fields and our local 1427 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,570 economy and the aerospace and defense 1428 01:00:59,570 --> 01:01:02,150 industries so that the community and 1429 01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:04,480 the department can all benefit to to 1430 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,060 achieve a win win situation . And so 1431 01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:09,220 that el paso could have good paying 1432 01:01:09,220 --> 01:01:13,010 jobs . Uh Secretary XU in the fiscal 1433 01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:16,370 year 22 . Nd a this committee included 1434 01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:18,037 language allowing the defense 1435 01:01:18,037 --> 01:01:20,830 innovation unit to expand outreach to 1436 01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:23,110 communities that do not otherwise have 1437 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,750 a D . IU presence . Including 1438 01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:28,610 disadvantaged communities . Utep as I 1439 01:01:28,610 --> 01:01:30,830 mentioned , is a leader in producing 1440 01:01:30,830 --> 01:01:32,800 incredible engineers . But 1441 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,856 unfortunately for years they've been 1442 01:01:34,856 --> 01:01:37,022 going to other parts of the country in 1443 01:01:37,022 --> 01:01:39,189 search of jobs . So we are essentially 1444 01:01:39,189 --> 01:01:41,490 exporting talent um that we've been 1445 01:01:41,490 --> 01:01:43,490 investing in since they were little 1446 01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:45,840 kids . Um And that's not helping us 1447 01:01:45,850 --> 01:01:48,320 escape are economically disadvantaged 1448 01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:50,840 situation . Having D . I . You 1449 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,951 establish a presence in El paso could 1450 01:01:52,951 --> 01:01:54,870 be what we need to both help the 1451 01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:58,040 department find and 1452 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,370 technology . However , it was reported 1453 01:02:00,370 --> 01:02:02,426 two weeks ago that the D IU plans to 1454 01:02:02,426 --> 01:02:04,750 open up an office in Chicago which 1455 01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:08,180 means D IU now has offices in Silicon 1456 01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:11,820 Valley . Austin and boston . While 1457 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:13,876 obviously these are great cities and 1458 01:02:13,876 --> 01:02:15,987 regions with unlimited potential . It 1459 01:02:15,987 --> 01:02:18,209 seems like D . I . U . Is just going to 1460 01:02:18,209 --> 01:02:19,987 continue to follow the trend of 1461 01:02:19,987 --> 01:02:22,130 focusing on well known institutions 1462 01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:24,650 rather than actively seek out the next 1463 01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:26,770 best thing in communities like mine . 1464 01:02:26,780 --> 01:02:28,870 Communities with large minority 1465 01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:31,410 populations . Excellent stem and 1466 01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:34,090 research institutions , a military 1467 01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:36,630 installation and yet are traditionally 1468 01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:39,880 underserved . So my question is what is 1469 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,920 d are you doing to expand into 1470 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,460 communities like mine that offer great 1471 01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:46,820 opportunities but don't typically get 1472 01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:49,200 the same chance that places like Austin 1473 01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:50,620 or Silicon Valley get 1474 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,540 or like see I would like to uh 1475 01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:02,520 x um talk a little bit about dru 1476 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,870 dru focus on major hubs . You're right . 1477 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,420 But I will say one of the key things 1478 01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:13,220 that DARPA is doing is out reaching 1479 01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:16,660 in communities that's not necessarily 1480 01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:20,320 in major metropolitan areas . I think 1481 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,600 you can DARPA probably talk about other 1482 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,822 initiatives , what they're trying to do 1483 01:03:25,822 --> 01:03:29,600 expanding um across the US and multiple 1484 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,390 entities . The other thing I think I 1485 01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:35,790 want to emphasize is which we do have 1486 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,570 HPC um i activities and maybe this is 1487 01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:41,880 one area we can expand into . How we 1488 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,600 can help to expand into minority 1489 01:03:44,610 --> 01:03:48,200 institutions um to uh tap 1490 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,960 into the talent that's in a U . T el 1491 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,350 paso . But we'll definitely take a note 1492 01:03:54,350 --> 01:03:56,980 in looking to that . Thank you . 1493 01:03:56,990 --> 01:03:59,190 Wonderful . And I'd love to invite you 1494 01:03:59,190 --> 01:04:02,940 to um visit el paso and the University 1495 01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:06,360 of texas at El paso . You and your 1496 01:04:06,370 --> 01:04:08,314 incoming director or your existing 1497 01:04:08,314 --> 01:04:10,537 director , members of your team . There 1498 01:04:10,537 --> 01:04:13,170 are tremendous opportunities in this 1499 01:04:13,170 --> 01:04:15,770 country , especially in a community 1500 01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:19,270 like mine . We've got to we've got to 1501 01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:21,790 grow the pie because the talent is out 1502 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,770 there . Um , and we can't just continue 1503 01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:27,620 to look to the same places and spaces 1504 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:30,560 uh , for talent . Um , I've long been 1505 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,560 an advocate for the use of additive 1506 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,782 manufacturing and seeing the department 1507 01:04:34,782 --> 01:04:36,840 expand the applications it could be 1508 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,007 used for , which is why I was thrilled 1509 01:04:39,007 --> 01:04:40,951 to see that that barracks would be 1510 01:04:40,951 --> 01:04:44,220 built on Fort Bliss using the largest 1511 01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:46,710 three D . Printed using three D . 1512 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,420 Technology . Utep is um , quickly 1513 01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:52,476 becoming a national expert in this . 1514 01:04:52,476 --> 01:04:54,642 And so what again , I'm running out of 1515 01:04:54,642 --> 01:04:56,587 time . So I'll just close by again 1516 01:04:56,587 --> 01:04:59,040 saying there's really tremendous 1517 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,096 opportunity and I think all of us on 1518 01:05:01,096 --> 01:05:04,480 this committee really want to see um , 1519 01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:08,390 our vision fulfilled . And as 1520 01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:10,390 members of Congress , we want to do 1521 01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:12,501 everything we can to help you achieve 1522 01:05:12,501 --> 01:05:14,612 that ambitious vision . Mr Chairman , 1523 01:05:14,612 --> 01:05:16,668 I'm out of time . So I'll yield back 1524 01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:21,260 very good . Thank you . Miss escobar Mr 1525 01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:23,603 Franklin is now recognized five minutes . 1526 01:05:23,603 --> 01:05:25,770 Thank you MR Chairman and thank you to 1527 01:05:25,770 --> 01:05:27,992 our witnesses for taking the time to be 1528 01:05:27,992 --> 01:05:30,159 with us here this afternoon as another 1529 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,159 freshman member . Really one of the 1530 01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:34,326 privileges I've had in this first term 1531 01:05:34,326 --> 01:05:33,480 as the opportunity to get out and visit 1532 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,702 some of your sites . I've spent the day 1533 01:05:35,702 --> 01:05:37,813 out at DARPA . I've been at the Naval 1534 01:05:37,813 --> 01:05:39,924 Research Laboratory . DR XU You and I 1535 01:05:39,924 --> 01:05:41,813 have , we , we talked over at the 1536 01:05:41,813 --> 01:05:43,924 pentagon and heard some of your ideas 1537 01:05:43,924 --> 01:05:43,590 they're on , on some of the changes 1538 01:05:43,590 --> 01:05:45,812 that we need to make in the acquisition 1539 01:05:45,812 --> 01:05:47,757 process . I walk away from each of 1540 01:05:47,757 --> 01:05:49,923 those tours fascinated with the things 1541 01:05:49,923 --> 01:05:51,757 that we have going on , but also 1542 01:05:51,757 --> 01:05:53,979 frustrated when I hear the operators on 1543 01:05:53,979 --> 01:05:56,034 the other end of the pipeline . Uh , 1544 01:05:56,034 --> 01:05:58,146 just exasperated at the time it takes 1545 01:05:58,146 --> 01:06:00,368 to feel these technologies and just the 1546 01:06:00,368 --> 01:06:02,534 we've already been , we've highlighted 1547 01:06:02,534 --> 01:06:02,260 some of these challenges here . But I 1548 01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:04,260 want to dive into that a little bit 1549 01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:06,240 more . Secretary Xu should the 1550 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,518 programming are planning , programming , 1551 01:06:08,518 --> 01:06:10,462 budgeting and execution , resource 1552 01:06:10,462 --> 01:06:12,480 allocation process be changed to 1553 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,670 encourage rapid innovation or agility 1554 01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:18,600 and research ? Absolutely . So 1555 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,960 I'm all for changes in in the , uh , I 1556 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,700 would say the Cold War pp pe process , 1557 01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:26,940 that's their right . And this is 1558 01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:30,180 dialogue I had with Secretary Austin a 1559 01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:32,790 year ago , he asked me the exact same 1560 01:06:32,790 --> 01:06:35,340 question you asked , namely Heidi why 1561 01:06:35,340 --> 01:06:37,970 the heck why is it ? I see all this 1562 01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:40,520 innovation outside and I can't get it 1563 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,110 on the inside the department . So one 1564 01:06:43,110 --> 01:06:46,600 thing I said to him sir , let's just 1565 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,570 say , you see some really great 1566 01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:50,550 prototype and you want to buy a 1567 01:06:50,550 --> 01:06:52,880 particular product , did you have the 1568 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,600 foresight to years ago to put it into 1569 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,900 your palm , request if you didn't guess 1570 01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,830 what ? You have no authority . So 1571 01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:05,670 that's the problem . So by the time you 1572 01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:08,003 get the authority put it into your palm , 1573 01:07:08,003 --> 01:07:09,948 it's 2-3 years down the line . The 1574 01:07:09,948 --> 01:07:12,059 product that you're buying is already 1575 01:07:12,059 --> 01:07:14,760 obsolete . Right ? So this process 1576 01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:18,020 absolutely has to change . There's 1577 01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:21,400 plenty of innovation on on the S&T side . 1578 01:07:21,570 --> 01:07:24,090 It's the bottleneck getting into the 1579 01:07:24,090 --> 01:07:27,040 hands of the war fighter that the PBB 1580 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,590 process has to change to reflect the 1581 01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:32,290 agility that's utterly needed . 1582 01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:35,713 So how do we go about doing that ? Well , 1583 01:07:35,713 --> 01:07:37,880 I hear there's a PPB commission that's 1584 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,190 ongoing . So I do hope that they're 1585 01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:42,301 looking at this very , very seriously 1586 01:07:42,301 --> 01:07:44,280 in coming up with a great idea to 1587 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,540 compress the timeline . The other thing 1588 01:07:46,540 --> 01:07:48,651 you look at china , how are they able 1589 01:07:48,651 --> 01:07:52,320 to accelerate so fast ? They invest 1590 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,190 heavily in their S and T and R and D . 1591 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,990 Enterprise and test enterprise , right ? 1592 01:07:58,770 --> 01:08:01,470 They rapidly test things out and they 1593 01:08:01,470 --> 01:08:04,490 field it and they go right on to the 1594 01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:08,290 next idea , test it out and filled 1595 01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:12,080 it . They don't take a decade , Right ? 1596 01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:15,570 So we can , we absolutely must compress 1597 01:08:15,570 --> 01:08:17,630 this timeline . I'm I'm utterly 1598 01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:19,630 passionate about it . This is why I 1599 01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:22,350 want to leverage the raider activity 1600 01:08:22,350 --> 01:08:24,770 that we have on going to be able to 1601 01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:27,290 take the prototypes . We need to test 1602 01:08:27,290 --> 01:08:30,000 it out rapidly and push it into rapid 1603 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,980 fielding . So you mentioned that , you 1604 01:08:32,980 --> 01:08:35,800 know , the chinese , uh , I would say 1605 01:08:35,810 --> 01:08:37,980 the old adage of fail quickly and you 1606 01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:40,313 know , fail forward and learn from that . 1607 01:08:40,313 --> 01:08:41,980 Um , our system seems to have 1608 01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:44,036 inherently built into it , a fear of 1609 01:08:44,036 --> 01:08:46,910 failure and we , you're rewarded for 1610 01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:48,799 not screwing up more than you are 1611 01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,854 rewarded for success . It seems like 1612 01:08:50,854 --> 01:08:52,966 and that may be unfair . But um , you 1613 01:08:52,966 --> 01:08:55,077 talked some about the radar program , 1614 01:08:55,077 --> 01:08:57,090 but um , you know , are there 1615 01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:59,470 structural changes you would recommend 1616 01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:01,702 that would allow the department's S and 1617 01:09:01,702 --> 01:09:04,390 T . Ecosystem to take risks better and 1618 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,480 to learn faster and fail faster and 1619 01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:09,190 move forward . I think the S . And T . 1620 01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:11,840 Area we do test things out and failure 1621 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,900 is okay . It's like DARPA right 1622 01:09:15,270 --> 01:09:17,600 failures . Absolutely expected and 1623 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,822 things that you're doing because you're 1624 01:09:19,822 --> 01:09:21,933 pushing the edge of the envelope , it 1625 01:09:21,933 --> 01:09:24,530 has to be okay to fail . But once you 1626 01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:27,230 get into a program of record , okay , 1627 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,210 you have to schedule that you have laid 1628 01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:33,820 out . You have the unit 1629 01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:36,080 cost that you've laid out , you have 1630 01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:38,340 the development costs that's laid out . 1631 01:09:38,350 --> 01:09:40,210 You have to predict what your 1632 01:09:40,210 --> 01:09:42,540 maintenance and sustainment costing 1633 01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:44,651 logistic is going to be . Even though 1634 01:09:44,651 --> 01:09:46,762 the system is not even designed yet . 1635 01:09:46,762 --> 01:09:49,530 Everything is baked in very 1636 01:09:49,530 --> 01:09:53,510 conservatively and if you fail , guess 1637 01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:55,843 what you get called in to say , tell me , 1638 01:09:55,843 --> 01:09:58,790 why did you fail ? Your career is dead . 1639 01:09:59,370 --> 01:10:01,620 Okay . It will be more and more beating 1640 01:10:01,620 --> 01:10:04,120 Congress will slam you on the top of 1641 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,176 your head . Why did you fail on that 1642 01:10:06,176 --> 01:10:08,342 program ? How did you screw that up so 1643 01:10:08,342 --> 01:10:10,564 badly ? Right ? The press jumps on your 1644 01:10:10,564 --> 01:10:13,530 neck . So it's a death spiral . So if 1645 01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:15,960 we want to be able to fail fast and 1646 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,600 accelerate , we have to change the 1647 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,990 entire mentality . You can't tell just 1648 01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:23,101 the program manager , I'm gonna grade 1649 01:10:23,101 --> 01:10:25,157 you , how will you deliver costs and 1650 01:10:25,157 --> 01:10:27,323 schedule and performance and not screw 1651 01:10:27,323 --> 01:10:30,200 up . This is how you get promoted , 1652 01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:34,160 right . The incentive structure is 1653 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,080 not there . Okay , so there's a lot of 1654 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,636 things that has to change , 1655 01:10:38,636 --> 01:10:40,969 unfortunately . Thank you . Mr Chairman , 1656 01:10:40,969 --> 01:10:44,790 I yield back . Thank you . Mr Franklin . 1657 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,480 Um , I agree that we need to continue 1658 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:49,930 to uh , engage in smart failure . So we 1659 01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:53,410 learn as we accelerate our testing and 1660 01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:56,100 uh , R and D efforts , uh , we don't , 1661 01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:58,870 not failing without learning . So , uh , 1662 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,769 we need to we need to continue to 1663 01:11:00,769 --> 01:11:02,950 engage in uh , and learning as we go . 1664 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,890 Uh , if it , if projects do fail , we 1665 01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:08,057 need to make sure it's smart failure . 1666 01:11:08,057 --> 01:11:10,168 Um , thank you Mr Franklin with a lot 1667 01:11:10,168 --> 01:11:12,001 of questions . Mr Morelli is now 1668 01:11:12,001 --> 01:11:14,280 recognized for five minutes . Thank you 1669 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,336 mr Chairman and thank you to all the 1670 01:11:16,336 --> 01:11:18,558 witnesses for being here . Obviously an 1671 01:11:18,558 --> 01:11:20,570 important topic that uh , a lot of 1672 01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:22,737 folks here and not only in congressman 1673 01:11:22,737 --> 01:11:24,848 around the country cared deeply about 1674 01:11:24,848 --> 01:11:27,014 so , and I had a number of questions , 1675 01:11:27,014 --> 01:11:28,737 but some of the comments by my 1676 01:11:28,737 --> 01:11:30,737 colleagues have just prompted me to 1677 01:11:30,737 --> 01:11:32,848 think a little differently . First of 1678 01:11:32,848 --> 01:11:34,681 all , I appreciate Mr franklin's 1679 01:11:34,681 --> 01:11:36,903 comments and and others about um , need 1680 01:11:36,903 --> 01:11:39,430 to fail fast and I worry sometimes that 1681 01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:41,041 particularly in the emerging 1682 01:11:41,041 --> 01:11:43,152 technologies where you're not certain 1683 01:11:43,152 --> 01:11:45,152 certainly early on in the process , 1684 01:11:45,152 --> 01:11:47,263 whether the technology will pan out , 1685 01:11:47,263 --> 01:11:49,374 whether or not when it's completed to 1686 01:11:49,374 --> 01:11:51,319 your point , whether it's gonna be 1687 01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:53,208 timely and worry that there isn't 1688 01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,680 enough of an appetite for failure . And 1689 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,902 unfortunately many times the technology 1690 01:11:57,902 --> 01:11:59,958 you could all speak to this far more 1691 01:11:59,958 --> 01:12:02,013 intelligently than I can . That that 1692 01:12:02,013 --> 01:12:04,600 will necessarily require some degree , 1693 01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:06,580 some appetite for failure or some 1694 01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:08,802 willingness to at least understand that 1695 01:12:08,802 --> 01:12:10,969 failure is a part of that . How do you 1696 01:12:10,969 --> 01:12:13,136 factor that in if you're going to fail 1697 01:12:13,136 --> 01:12:14,913 fast , it does mean failing and 1698 01:12:14,913 --> 01:12:17,310 learning you often do by not being able 1699 01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:19,421 to complete what you thought you were 1700 01:12:19,421 --> 01:12:21,366 going to be able to . Can you just 1701 01:12:21,366 --> 01:12:23,477 speak to that in terms of sort of the 1702 01:12:23,477 --> 01:12:25,643 tolerance for for failure and what you 1703 01:12:25,643 --> 01:12:27,810 do and how you sort of mitigate that , 1704 01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:29,977 but also learn from it and and what we 1705 01:12:29,977 --> 01:12:32,143 could learn to help you maybe accept a 1706 01:12:32,143 --> 01:12:34,254 higher level of , of tolerance around 1707 01:12:34,254 --> 01:12:36,532 the need to fail to be able to succeed . 1708 01:12:40,450 --> 01:12:43,080 Like I said before on the S and T side , 1709 01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:44,990 because it's early in development 1710 01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:47,212 you're expecting failures , the failure 1711 01:12:47,212 --> 01:12:49,157 is absolutely okay . Okay . If you 1712 01:12:49,157 --> 01:12:51,046 build a prototype , the prototype 1713 01:12:51,046 --> 01:12:53,157 doesn't quite work , go ahead and fix 1714 01:12:53,157 --> 01:12:55,268 it . Right . That's the obvious thing 1715 01:12:55,268 --> 01:12:57,434 to do because you're still in the very 1716 01:12:57,434 --> 01:12:59,657 much in the development phase , what we 1717 01:12:59,657 --> 01:13:01,601 want to do as a part of the raider 1718 01:13:01,601 --> 01:13:03,323 activity literally is take the 1719 01:13:03,323 --> 01:13:05,490 prototype , test it out in a contested 1720 01:13:05,490 --> 01:13:07,490 environment in which we're going to 1721 01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:10,250 fight , let them test it out to see if 1722 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:12,194 it's going to pass or fail . If it 1723 01:13:12,194 --> 01:13:15,030 fails , it's okay to get guess what ? 1724 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,680 You can modify your design , Come back 1725 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,210 again six months . So are there ways in 1726 01:13:21,210 --> 01:13:23,266 which you feel stymied that we could 1727 01:13:23,266 --> 01:13:25,377 help you get through that cycle or do 1728 01:13:25,377 --> 01:13:27,488 you feel you have the tools available 1729 01:13:27,488 --> 01:13:30,450 to you to shorten that time frame ? The 1730 01:13:30,450 --> 01:13:33,070 tools are available in the early phases 1731 01:13:33,070 --> 01:13:36,260 of program from 6 1 264 . 1732 01:13:36,650 --> 01:13:38,480 Okay . It's when you start to 1733 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,810 transition beyond 6 6 . Okay . Into a 1734 01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:44,450 program , a record . Now this is where 1735 01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:46,790 everything becomes rigid and locked in 1736 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,856 and you'll be beaten up if you don't 1737 01:13:48,856 --> 01:13:51,280 meet schedule or cost or performance . 1738 01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:53,620 That's where the risk aversion comes in 1739 01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:55,797 because you're graded by that . Okay , 1740 01:13:56,350 --> 01:13:58,870 so I'd like to pass it over to my 1741 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,780 colleagues . I will just mention 1742 01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:05,002 to , you know , in many cases it's it's 1743 01:14:05,002 --> 01:14:06,990 why did it fail . And I think 1744 01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:08,768 understanding that's critically 1745 01:14:08,768 --> 01:14:10,768 important as well , um you may have 1746 01:14:10,768 --> 01:14:12,934 heard that the army started a campaign 1747 01:14:12,934 --> 01:14:12,920 of learning known as project 1748 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,480 convergence Back in 202,020 was our 1749 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,702 first and really the intent of that was 1750 01:14:18,702 --> 01:14:21,390 to take these burgeoning technologies 1751 01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:24,060 and get them into the field , get them 1752 01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:26,227 into the field , get the engineers and 1753 01:14:26,227 --> 01:14:28,393 the scientists , Team them up with the 1754 01:14:28,393 --> 01:14:30,282 soldiers , put them in a relevant 1755 01:14:30,282 --> 01:14:32,338 environment that that equipment will 1756 01:14:32,338 --> 01:14:34,504 need to perform and then go see how it 1757 01:14:34,504 --> 01:14:36,671 works and I will say I've been through 1758 01:14:36,671 --> 01:14:38,949 through the uh as a as a planning part , 1759 01:14:38,949 --> 01:14:41,450 as as my cross functional team um had 1760 01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:43,820 on and and it was amazing to watch the 1761 01:14:43,820 --> 01:14:45,653 technologies where the engineers 1762 01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:47,542 thought they had it right or they 1763 01:14:47,542 --> 01:14:49,487 thought they knew what the soldier 1764 01:14:49,487 --> 01:14:51,376 needed , but when you teamed them 1765 01:14:51,376 --> 01:14:53,598 together and you put them in the dirt , 1766 01:14:53,598 --> 01:14:55,764 the the amazing chemistry that happens 1767 01:14:55,764 --> 01:14:57,987 in the ability to fix things on the fly 1768 01:14:57,987 --> 01:15:00,098 and be able to then have a valid test 1769 01:15:00,098 --> 01:15:01,987 and then imp rapidly improve that 1770 01:15:01,987 --> 01:15:03,820 capability at the end of project 1771 01:15:03,820 --> 01:15:05,931 convergence in many cases , yeah , we 1772 01:15:05,931 --> 01:15:07,598 we fully expect some of those 1773 01:15:07,598 --> 01:15:09,820 technologies to fail . In fact , that's 1774 01:15:09,820 --> 01:15:11,987 why we do it to kind of find those and 1775 01:15:11,987 --> 01:15:13,987 then maybe there's new requirements 1776 01:15:13,987 --> 01:15:16,098 need to be changed . Right , but it's 1777 01:15:16,098 --> 01:15:17,987 the learning process again , that 1778 01:15:17,987 --> 01:15:20,098 campaign of learning that helps learn 1779 01:15:20,098 --> 01:15:19,770 from those failures in some case 1780 01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:21,810 improve and then rapidly move those 1781 01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:24,190 projects forward . So , so I guess what 1782 01:15:24,190 --> 01:15:26,357 I'm asking is are there things that we 1783 01:15:26,357 --> 01:15:29,420 could do to help you accelerate that or 1784 01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:31,486 some of the frustrations that people 1785 01:15:31,486 --> 01:15:33,708 are voicing , is that the things we can 1786 01:15:33,708 --> 01:15:35,541 do to be of assistance to you in 1787 01:15:35,541 --> 01:15:38,410 speeding up that timeframe or am I just 1788 01:15:38,410 --> 01:15:41,450 not understanding this well enough ? I 1789 01:15:41,450 --> 01:15:43,561 would just say I'd mentioned before , 1790 01:15:43,561 --> 01:15:45,910 we've we've got uh two program elements , 1791 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,240 tech transition and uh requirements 1792 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,184 maturation program elements and we 1793 01:15:51,184 --> 01:15:53,018 would just ask for the continued 1794 01:15:53,018 --> 01:15:55,980 support for the funding , that's $64 1795 01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:58,660 that that those dollars fund that 1796 01:15:58,660 --> 01:16:02,040 critical two year uh timeframe between 1797 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,262 S and T . And when we can get something 1798 01:16:04,262 --> 01:16:07,720 into um a a program of record . The 1799 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,776 second thing that I would just offer 1800 01:16:09,776 --> 01:16:11,887 that maybe hasn't been mentioned here 1801 01:16:11,887 --> 01:16:13,942 is that we're all looking at digital 1802 01:16:13,942 --> 01:16:15,720 technology , digital modeling , 1803 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,200 simulation , uh agile software 1804 01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,150 practices and so the continued um 1805 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,271 interest by the Congress and allowing 1806 01:16:23,271 --> 01:16:26,260 us to um utilize advanced technologies 1807 01:16:26,260 --> 01:16:28,620 and transforming our processes through 1808 01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:31,520 digital tools . Um Is wood is also 1809 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,242 going to I think have a have a 1810 01:16:33,242 --> 01:16:35,464 significant benefit because the failure 1811 01:16:35,464 --> 01:16:38,530 can be uh I mean I like it to call it 1812 01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:40,651 not just failure but learning just as 1813 01:16:40,651 --> 01:16:42,780 my colleague , Mr NElson described , 1814 01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:45,002 you know , um the knowledge gaining and 1815 01:16:45,002 --> 01:16:47,224 the learning process , the recovery can 1816 01:16:47,224 --> 01:16:49,480 be um quicker when we when we are are 1817 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,290 trading things in models and 1818 01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:54,390 simulations versus expensive hardware 1819 01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:56,750 prototyping . So I'd like to come back 1820 01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:58,972 to this after I'm running out of time . 1821 01:16:58,972 --> 01:17:01,083 But I'm also curious how often do the 1822 01:17:01,083 --> 01:17:03,250 different , how often do you all 1823 01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:05,371 connect with one another ? And how do 1824 01:17:05,371 --> 01:17:07,593 you share information ? And how are you 1825 01:17:07,593 --> 01:17:09,538 feeling about that collaboration ? 1826 01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:15,530 We we miss you in fact um stood up upon 1827 01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:17,800 her entry dep sec def stood up a 1828 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,470 innovation steering group . Uh That is 1829 01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:23,800 where we we share um all of these 1830 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,390 practices and I routinely meet with my 1831 01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:28,930 service counterparts on major issues . 1832 01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:32,030 Uh so I I think it's weird and I'm 1833 01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:34,240 sorry mr Chairman , I'm over time . So 1834 01:17:34,330 --> 01:17:37,790 so I have monthly innovation steering 1835 01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:40,600 group meetings which all the services 1836 01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:43,820 along with the co coms all participate . 1837 01:17:44,170 --> 01:17:46,650 Okay , very good . Thank you . Thank 1838 01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:48,761 you . Thank you . Mr Morelli Mr Moore 1839 01:17:48,761 --> 01:17:50,817 is now recognized for five minutes . 1840 01:17:50,817 --> 01:17:52,983 Thank you . Chair apologize if there's 1841 01:17:52,983 --> 01:17:55,206 any background noise . I will direct my 1842 01:17:55,206 --> 01:17:57,317 question to MS shoe but I welcome any 1843 01:17:57,317 --> 01:17:59,594 other context from any other witnesses . 1844 01:17:59,594 --> 01:18:01,817 Thanks thanks again for being here that 1845 01:18:01,817 --> 01:18:03,983 they're really there's a really simply 1846 01:18:03,983 --> 01:18:06,094 recently released report safeguarding 1847 01:18:06,094 --> 01:18:05,880 our national security by promoting 1848 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,047 competition and the defense industrial 1849 01:18:08,047 --> 01:18:10,430 base . There's several items . Five key 1850 01:18:10,430 --> 01:18:12,541 efforts that were identified , two of 1851 01:18:12,541 --> 01:18:15,070 which increasing new entrants and 1852 01:18:15,070 --> 01:18:17,014 increasing opportunities for small 1853 01:18:17,014 --> 01:18:18,903 business , something I believe in 1854 01:18:18,903 --> 01:18:20,681 greatly I I left the management 1855 01:18:20,681 --> 01:18:22,848 consulting world to come to Congress . 1856 01:18:22,848 --> 01:18:26,410 Um the somewhat then 1857 01:18:26,770 --> 01:18:29,390 as you get involved in the bureaucracy 1858 01:18:29,390 --> 01:18:31,223 of many of our organizations and 1859 01:18:31,223 --> 01:18:33,334 departments , well , we all know that 1860 01:18:33,334 --> 01:18:35,390 was a move from efficiency to not as 1861 01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:37,557 much efficiency , I'll be honest , but 1862 01:18:37,557 --> 01:18:39,779 I but I was prepared for that . But one 1863 01:18:39,779 --> 01:18:39,710 thing I have found that I've been 1864 01:18:39,710 --> 01:18:41,932 excited about is the defense innovation 1865 01:18:41,932 --> 01:18:44,660 unit , the D . I . U . And I , you know , 1866 01:18:44,670 --> 01:18:46,781 I think we've seen good outcomes from 1867 01:18:46,781 --> 01:18:48,948 that there's a proven success , proven 1868 01:18:48,948 --> 01:18:51,114 capability of success with integrating 1869 01:18:51,114 --> 01:18:53,180 emerging technologies and harnessing 1870 01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:55,458 the power of american innovation issue , 1871 01:18:55,458 --> 01:18:57,870 absent , absent congressional direction . 1872 01:18:57,870 --> 01:19:00,080 So without focus from Congress and a 1873 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,580 push from Congress is the D . O . D . 1874 01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:04,747 Dedicated to supporting and increasing 1875 01:19:04,747 --> 01:19:06,413 investment in D . I . U . S . 1876 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,520 Absolutely . One of the things that 1877 01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,280 you'll be seeing that's coming out in 1878 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,280 the new york improv in the next two 1879 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,320 months is the initiative we are 1880 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,140 developing internally on strategic 1881 01:19:20,150 --> 01:19:23,480 capital and this is where our plan is 1882 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:27,310 to help out small companies to help 1883 01:19:27,310 --> 01:19:30,860 them two give them the capital that 1884 01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:33,560 they lack , help them to find the 1885 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,900 capital , help them to tie closer into 1886 01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:40,340 the program executive offices that uh 1887 01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:43,200 that the services will do the actual 1888 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,260 pull . So one of the things that 1889 01:19:46,270 --> 01:19:48,860 artwork has done , let me just explain 1890 01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:51,410 a little bit is they've taken to 1891 01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:54,660 funding from S . P . I . 1892 01:19:54,660 --> 01:19:57,490 R . Uh , cyber funding . They've 1893 01:19:57,490 --> 01:20:00,150 matched it with the P . E . O . Funding . 1894 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,640 When the POS is interested in this 1895 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,100 particular technology , they've also 1896 01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:08,340 taken the uh and gone outside to 1897 01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:10,790 venture capital . Say , hey , here's a 1898 01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:13,540 company that has a creative technology 1899 01:20:14,010 --> 01:20:16,630 that the program office is interested 1900 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,100 in transition . Are you willing to 1901 01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:21,520 match that funding ? So let's say a 1902 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,840 million dollars from silver's a million 1903 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,120 dollars from P . E . 02 million from 1904 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,470 venture capitalists . So this really 1905 01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:30,910 helps the small business to get a lot 1906 01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:33,132 more funding to continue to develop the 1907 01:20:33,132 --> 01:20:36,800 prototypes and mature to the face that 1908 01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:40,160 they can transition . So we're in the 1909 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,430 process of creating and standing up 1910 01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,330 this office right now on purpose to 1911 01:20:46,330 --> 01:20:49,200 bring the activity that has succeeded 1912 01:20:49,210 --> 01:20:51,680 in afterwards and stratify within the 1913 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,670 Air Force to bring it across the entire 1914 01:20:54,670 --> 01:20:55,430 D . O . D . 1915 01:20:59,210 --> 01:21:01,810 So if I may just align with that , the 1916 01:21:01,820 --> 01:21:05,400 renewal of the cybersitter program by 1917 01:21:05,410 --> 01:21:08,870 the Congress is of critical is critical 1918 01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:11,440 importance to all of us at D . O . D . 1919 01:21:11,450 --> 01:21:13,820 And you've heard from the the different 1920 01:21:13,820 --> 01:21:15,876 variety of stats and the benefits of 1921 01:21:15,876 --> 01:21:18,209 that program from each of us today . So , 1922 01:21:18,209 --> 01:21:20,290 uh , I just wanted to reinforce that 1923 01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:22,730 renewal is is paramount importance . 1924 01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:27,177 Thank you . And I would just jump in . 1925 01:21:27,177 --> 01:21:29,288 And in terms of , you know , the army 1926 01:21:29,288 --> 01:21:31,288 has utilized the D IU program for a 1927 01:21:31,288 --> 01:21:33,343 number of of efforts and continue to 1928 01:21:33,343 --> 01:21:35,343 see that as a , as a , as a gallant 1929 01:21:35,343 --> 01:21:37,454 effort to help get these technologies 1930 01:21:37,454 --> 01:21:39,454 into the field faster . But I would 1931 01:21:39,454 --> 01:21:39,220 also add that we already mentioned 1932 01:21:39,220 --> 01:21:41,980 Supercenter um , we have an extensive 1933 01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:44,202 search program that also tries to reach 1934 01:21:44,202 --> 01:21:46,313 out to non traditional innovators and 1935 01:21:46,313 --> 01:21:46,250 small businesses . That's another 1936 01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:49,340 accelerator program and we've got a lot 1937 01:21:49,340 --> 01:21:51,880 of success from that . I think in some 1938 01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,850 cases we we don't um , we don't 1939 01:21:55,860 --> 01:21:58,150 articulate the successes that we have 1940 01:21:58,150 --> 01:22:00,500 sometimes . Um , there's a number of 1941 01:22:00,510 --> 01:22:02,677 technologies that are making it across 1942 01:22:02,677 --> 01:22:04,677 the Valley of Death in many cases , 1943 01:22:04,677 --> 01:22:06,510 from small businesses . We had a 1944 01:22:06,510 --> 01:22:08,454 company developing new anti GM GPS 1945 01:22:08,454 --> 01:22:10,510 antenna . We had some metal powder , 1946 01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:12,800 three D . Manufacturing , we had some 1947 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,270 live fire modeling , done all all types 1948 01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:17,270 of silver related projects that are 1949 01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:19,437 making it across the valley of death . 1950 01:22:19,437 --> 01:22:19,430 But I think we can always improve our 1951 01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:21,460 messaging both to you and to the 1952 01:22:21,460 --> 01:22:23,682 american public in terms of how well we 1953 01:22:23,682 --> 01:22:25,904 are doing . In some cases I think we do 1954 01:22:25,904 --> 01:22:27,904 ourselves a disservice . Um but but 1955 01:22:27,904 --> 01:22:30,071 again there's always could be room for 1956 01:22:30,071 --> 01:22:30,070 improvement . I certainly would would 1957 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,530 accept that . But I do think , I think 1958 01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:34,651 there's a bright future in some cases 1959 01:22:34,651 --> 01:22:36,818 here for a lot of these technologies . 1960 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,367 Excellent . That's excellent context . 1961 01:22:40,367 --> 01:22:42,367 Actually makes it easy to do my job 1962 01:22:42,367 --> 01:22:44,533 when I asked one question without much 1963 01:22:44,533 --> 01:22:46,422 involvement . So thank you . I'll 1964 01:22:46,422 --> 01:22:48,533 quickly just end with I had in all of 1965 01:22:48,533 --> 01:22:51,060 my time I have yet to see any more 1966 01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:52,949 enthusiasm than any other area or 1967 01:22:52,949 --> 01:22:55,140 industry about small business wanting 1968 01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:57,362 to be involved in the in the fight , in 1969 01:22:57,362 --> 01:23:00,190 the mission of the D . O . D . and um I 1970 01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:02,523 just , you know , with only 3.7 billion , 1971 01:23:02,523 --> 01:23:04,690 it's a pretty small number relative to 1972 01:23:04,690 --> 01:23:07,500 the entire budget . And um to wrap here 1973 01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:09,710 like concentrating bot spending power 1974 01:23:09,710 --> 01:23:11,932 and only defense crimes . I think we do 1975 01:23:11,932 --> 01:23:14,370 ourselves a big disservice uh and we 1976 01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:16,370 need to make a strong mix and would 1977 01:23:16,370 --> 01:23:18,537 encourage as much as we can to embrace 1978 01:23:18,537 --> 01:23:20,703 that . So thank you chair , my time is 1979 01:23:20,703 --> 01:23:24,350 up . Thank you Mr moore and uh yeah I 1980 01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,900 agree that's where where so much of the 1981 01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:28,900 innovation comes from is from these 1982 01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:30,900 small innovative businesses that uh 1983 01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:33,390 that we need to help bring to maturity 1984 01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:35,390 and let them get their capabilities 1985 01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:37,557 into the hands of the war fighter . Um 1986 01:23:37,557 --> 01:23:40,700 So are our time is coming to a close , 1987 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:42,770 I didn't want to ask for one clarify 1988 01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:44,881 point of clarification . Secretary Xu 1989 01:23:44,881 --> 01:23:48,210 when you talk about uh is I understood 1990 01:23:48,210 --> 01:23:51,880 this right ? That in the 61264 funding , 1991 01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:55,450 uh that That process lends itself to 1992 01:23:55,450 --> 01:23:59,110 smart failure , but it's in the 6566 or 1993 01:23:59,110 --> 01:24:01,660 beyond the funding levels , that that's 1994 01:24:01,660 --> 01:24:05,310 where the structure is not uh properly 1995 01:24:05,690 --> 01:24:08,780 a place to allow for failure because I 1996 01:24:08,780 --> 01:24:10,891 don't know that everybody would agree 1997 01:24:10,891 --> 01:24:13,058 with that . That I think we need to we 1998 01:24:13,058 --> 01:24:14,947 need smart failure in the earlier 1999 01:24:14,947 --> 01:24:18,860 places too . For a good 2000 01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:22,730 expand 61264 is 2001 01:24:22,730 --> 01:24:25,470 really the early part of research in 2002 01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:28,700 science and technology , But uh , 2003 01:24:28,710 --> 01:24:32,650 prototyping is the 64 Uh 2004 01:24:32,650 --> 01:24:34,730 huh Six sixes . When you get a 2005 01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:37,030 prototype that's been demonstrated in a 2006 01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:40,270 relevant environment , okay . Typically 2007 01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:42,790 that is the entry point into a program 2008 01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:45,280 of record . So you have to pass that 2009 01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:48,550 particular milestone before you are 2010 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,320 maturing technologically to enter a 2011 01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,940 program of record . But once you enter 2012 01:24:54,940 --> 01:24:57,490 a program record , like I said , this 2013 01:24:57,490 --> 01:25:00,330 is where you have a program milestone 2014 01:25:00,330 --> 01:25:03,190 that's well defined . Okay , when 2015 01:25:03,190 --> 01:25:05,301 you're going to pass through each one 2016 01:25:05,301 --> 01:25:07,246 of these gates , when you're gonna 2017 01:25:07,246 --> 01:25:09,412 enter low rate initial production when 2018 01:25:09,412 --> 01:25:11,634 you're anticipate the initial operating 2019 01:25:11,634 --> 01:25:13,857 capability is going to be . And this is 2020 01:25:13,857 --> 01:25:16,023 where the program manager , it's gonna 2021 01:25:16,023 --> 01:25:18,190 be a lot more risk adverse because you 2022 01:25:18,190 --> 01:25:20,680 forgot a program that's laid out that's 2023 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,530 presented to the hill and you are going 2024 01:25:23,530 --> 01:25:26,570 to be judged in terms of success , how 2025 01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:29,910 well you execute to your plan . So 2026 01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:31,910 there are not going to be nearly as 2027 01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:35,010 receptive to a new innovative a 2028 01:25:35,010 --> 01:25:38,520 technology that is not mature enough to , 2029 01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:40,630 because it increases the risk of the 2030 01:25:40,630 --> 01:25:43,580 program . I'll be happy to come in to , 2031 01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:47,070 to to spend more time with you . I'm 2032 01:25:47,070 --> 01:25:49,014 glad you clarified that point . Uh 2033 01:25:49,014 --> 01:25:51,710 because uh , we need more more 2034 01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:53,877 flexibility and smart failure in those 2035 01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,880 prototyping programs , I I couldn't 2036 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,824 agree more . Um , so those are the 2037 01:25:57,824 --> 01:26:00,480 questions I had . Uh , I want to thank 2038 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:03,490 the witnesses for the testimony today 2039 01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:06,120 and um , the members may have 2040 01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,342 additional questions , especially those 2041 01:26:08,342 --> 01:26:10,342 that unfortunately not able to stay 2042 01:26:10,342 --> 01:26:12,620 through the question and answer period . 2043 01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:14,676 I asked you respond to those members 2044 01:26:14,676 --> 01:26:16,850 expeditiously in writing the earliest 2045 01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:19,190 opportunity . I thank the ranking 2046 01:26:19,190 --> 01:26:22,150 member Banks for his partnership in uh , 2047 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,470 and holding these hearings with us and 2048 01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:26,470 the members for their participation 2049 01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:28,860 with that . The hearing stands 2050 01:26:28,860 --> 01:26:29,310 adjourned